This class session reviewed what was presented in the last class session and helped all students refine their methods from the last class session.
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[05.27.08]
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[11:33] <metalforever> This class is going to focus on refining the methods we created during the last class. This class session will also focus on any questions you may or may not have concerning psychokinetic methods, and also present some alternative methods if you just “arent” getting it
[11:34] <metalforever> First we are going to review.
[11:34] <metalforever> What is it that we covered during the last class session? (answer this one)
[11:34] <HalfDemon> how to figure out what method we should use for ourself’s
[11:35] <PsiWolf7> developing our own “method” because not all methods work for some ppl
[11:35] <The_Zora_Wizard> Well, I wasn’t here, but I believe we worked on developing our own method of psychokinesis.
[11:35] <metalforever> Alright, pretty good. What was our homework?
[11:36] <HalfDemon> working on our method’s and writing down what we felt, the pros and cons.
[11:36] <PsiWolf7> to find our own method and start working with it and to wright down how we acomplish it
[11:37] <metalforever> Halfdemon, how would you rate your method in terms of effectiveness?
[11:37] <metalforever> Did it work/ not work?
[11:38] <HalfDemon> it did work i got my psiwheel to meve about half a rotation under glass
[11:38] <HalfDemon> move
[11:38] <metalforever> What have you written for your homework?
[11:39] <PsiWolf7> i use the psiball Tec. Because im ok i guess with the use of EM so this seems right for me….My ? is.. Does this really count as pk or just EM
[11:40] <HalfDemon> I wrote. That when i visulize my results are less then without visulizeing. And like you said That when you feel the object i get better results
[11:40] <neveza> PsiWolf7, Psychokinesis is Energy manipulation. You need the energy to work the physical.
[11:41] <PsiWolf7> so it is the same neveza?
[11:41] <metalforever> HalfDemon: Visualizations will work for you for the time being, they will not work for you in about 2-3 years.
[11:41] <metalforever> Its the kind of thing that loses its spark
[11:42] <metalforever> Which is why i mentioned it in a negative tone last class
[11:42] <HalfDemon> i have been practicing for about 2 years and the whole time i was visualizing
[11:42] <metalforever> Fair Enough.
[11:42] <neveza> PsiWolf7, Yes, if you want a clear answer. Intent -> energy -> results.
[11:42] <HalfDemon> and barely any results and when i don’t i get better results
[11:42] <metalforever> but make sure you use it in conjunction with the feeling thing i described
[11:43] <metalforever> PsiWolf: Same question, did your method work, or did it not work as well for you.
[11:43] <HalfDemon> when i move the psiwhell sometimes i want it to go one way and it goes in the other direction most of the time.And when i try to switch directions so does the psiwheel
[11:44] <PsiWolf7> the Psiwheel moved a little but not much im still very new to Psionics…
[11:44] <metalforever> do you use your hands?
[11:44] <HalfDemon> yes
[11:44] <metalforever> There’s your answer.
[11:45] <HalfDemon> so don’t use my hands
[11:45] <metalforever> Try not to
[11:45] <HalfDemon> ok i can do that
[11:45] <HalfDemon> thank you
[11:45] <neveza> If you have a hard time moving away from using hands, try literally moving away from the pin-wheel. Out of arms lengths.
[11:45] <metalforever> The control thing is probably a separate issue. You cannot master the psiwheel fully until youve moved on
[11:46] <HalfDemon> what is next after psiwheel?
[11:46] <metalforever> www.psionicsonline.net/media
[11:46] <HalfDemon> ok
[11:46] <metalforever> go to the foil videos.
[11:46] <metalforever> foil on a flat surface. That is probably what you should be doing anyway- especially after 2 years
[11:46] <metalforever> Psiwolf: Better this time or worse
[11:47] <PsiWolf7> Better
[11:47] <PsiWolf7> just need to
[11:47] <metalforever> Good. What did you do this time, if anything, that was separate from last time?
[11:47] <PsiWolf7> harness
[11:47] <PsiWolf7> ummm.
[11:48] <metalforever> hm?
[11:48] <PsiWolf7> last time i tryed the “just do it” method it didnt really work for me so i look around Psipog and Pisonicsonline and found the Psiball tec.
[11:49] <HalfDemon> another question
[11:49] <neveza> “Just do it” method is vague, PsiWolf7. That is the failure of that technique, it isn’t explained properly.
[11:49] <HalfDemon> is rolling harder than the foil?
[11:49] <metalforever> I dont know what Psipog says, i probably read it years ago (yeah i definitely did), but if it tells you to rely SOLELY on visualization, its crap.
[11:49] <metalforever> The just do it method isnt good for beginners
[11:49] <metalforever> you really need to get a feel for Psychokinesis before you know how to “Just do It”
[11:49] <PsiWolf7> so what do you suggest for me im deffidently a “beginner”
[11:50] <metalforever> Tell me, in detail , what you did this week
[11:51] <PsiWolf7> What i do is put both hands on either side of the psi-wheel and form a psiball around the wheel. I countinue to pur psi into it making it denser and denser, to where if i rotate the psiball the wheel moves as well…
[11:51] <PsiWolf7> pur is suppose to be pour sorry
[11:52] <metalforever> hm
[11:52] <metalforever> Alright, if its working for you great
[11:52] <PsiWolf7> I also tested the “Psi-string” method and had a little success…
[11:52] <metalforever> but i have some suggestions
[11:52] <metalforever> its crap
[11:52] <PsiWolf7> lol really?
[11:52] <metalforever> the psi strings thing
[11:52] <metalforever> The psiball thing makes you use your hands- its inhibiting
[11:53] <metalforever> you CAN make a psiball without using your hands
[11:53] <metalforever> seriously, you dont have to go all dragonballz with psiballs
[11:54] <metalforever> Thats definitely not a method i would use unless you really have a history in Constructs
[11:54] <neveza> Yeah, you don’t even need to use your hands. Actually, you don’t even need to use a psiball. Focus on building the field around the object up. Think of internal energy for this process so you can develop a kind of link for this…Treat it as an experiment, on my behalf, as I did this and slid a pen easier than normal.
[11:55] <PsiWolf7> hhmmm..ok i see
[11:55] <metalforever> Alright so 1. Focus on learning how to create contructs efficiently.
[11:55] <metalforever> constructs*.
[11:55] <metalforever> 2. Dont use your hands
[11:55] <metalforever> 3. Read everything energy manipulation based
[11:56] <neveza> Have them read Erik’s article.
[11:56] <metalforever> and not the Psipog article that makes you place a finger on your palm and move it in a circle
[11:56] <metalforever> All other ones as far as i can remember are useful
[11:57] <metalforever> Okay because moving your finger in a circle and trying to replicate it isnt you making a psiball, its you trying to replicate a feeling.
[11:57] <metalforever> Read Eriks article on PsionicsOnline
[11:57] <PsiWolf7> is there any other methods you suggest that may help me besides the “psiball” tec.? Ok ill look at that
[11:58] <metalforever> Sure.
[11:58] <metalforever> Heres what you do
[11:58] <metalforever> I call this one the association method
[11:59] <metalforever> This one is useful for myself personally, and it complies with Eriks theories he has backed up with $30,000 of research.
[12:00] <metalforever> Im going to make it simple for you
[12:00] <metalforever> 1. sit, relaxed and meditated, in front of the psiwheel.
[12:00] <metalforever> 2. Look at the psiwheel, “Noticing” various things about it, such as its structure, what its made out of, and what generally makes the psiwheel, well, a psiwheel
[12:01] <metalforever> 3. Associate as much as you can with the psiwheel, this is where the “becoming one” theory comes into play
[12:01] <metalforever> You are the psiwheel, you can move it like a limb
[12:02] <metalforever> and it ALMOST CERTAINLY WILL MOVE the next time you tell it to, not “you are telling yourself its going to move but in the back of your mind you know its really not”
[12:03] <metalforever> Associations dont have to be sight and property, they can be feeling as well, focus on feeling.
[12:03] <metalforever> Tell me how that goes.
[12:03] <PsiWolf7> ok this one sounds good
[12:04] <metalforever> make sure you meditate
[12:04] <metalforever> The_Zora_Wizard : Are you still here
[12:04] <The_Zora_Wizard> Yes
[12:04] <PsiWolf7> like the breathing Exercise or the counting down from 100?
[12:04] <metalforever> Psiwolf7: you dont want what you are doing and worrying about to interfere with what you are doing
[12:05] <metalforever> erm, first one.
[12:05] <PsiWolf7> k
[12:05] <metalforever> How did your method work since the last class session?
[12:05] <The_Zora_Wizard> I managed to have some success
[12:06] <The_Zora_Wizard> But I can usually only make it rock back and forth
[12:06] <metalforever> Alright, what is your method, in detail
[12:06] <The_Zora_Wizard> Oh, and I’m not sure why, but I can stop a moving psiwheel easier than start one…
[12:07] <The_Zora_Wizard> Umm… my method is pretty much concentrating on the psiwheel itself (kind of like the association method), and sort of “willing” it to move.
[12:09] <The_Zora_Wizard> I originally tried to “push” it with energy, but that didn’t seem to work too well for me.
[12:10] <metalforever> Alright, hows that working for you
[12:10] <metalforever> and i would try the association thing and the limb thing
[12:10] <metalforever> using hands?
[12:10] <The_Zora_Wizard> Only to cover my nose (to prevent the air)
[12:11] <metalforever> alright
[12:11] <metalforever> sit far enough back you dont have to do that
[12:11] <metalforever> I hated doing that and there is better options
[12:11] <metalforever> its disruptive
[12:11] <The_Zora_Wizard> yeah, I should try that…
[12:11] <metalforever> and dont try to hide your nose with your shirt
[12:11] <metalforever> that doesnt work
[12:11] <The_Zora_Wizard> I guess I have a feeling that the further I am, the harder it will get.
[12:11] <metalforever> You will think you are moving the psiwheel or something, and you will just be blowing on it
[12:12] <PsiWolf7> i have to be upclose and personal is that bad lol
[12:12] <neveza> PsiWolf7, many do, just try your hardest to move a bit back.
[12:12] <metalforever> No: not harder, you just think it is, and your subconcious creates that reality
[12:12] <metalforever> same with the glass thing.
[12:12] <PsiWolf7> neveza, ok ill try
[12:13] <The_Zora_Wizard> Generally I am about 2 feet away from it
[12:13] <metalforever> okay try 3 feet away.
[12:14] <The_Zora_Wizard> okay. Any suggestions on how to make it rotate?
[12:14] * metalforever thinks.
[12:15] <metalforever> okay well you shouldnt be having too much problems rotating it unless you werent really moving it in the first place, but blowing on it.
[12:15] <PsiWolf7> if you are “being one” try picturing it from the psiwheels pointofview and seeing it rotate around
[12:15] <metalforever> make sure you check that
[12:15] <metalforever> not so much
[12:15] <metalforever> thats visualization
[12:15] <metalforever> we want to work on *feeling*
[12:16] <neveza> Remember, sometimes the pin-wheel isn’t for everybody. I’ve managed to slide objects and still be defeated by the pin-wheel.
[12:16] <metalforever> there is the toothpick on water trick
[12:16] <metalforever> or penduluming
[12:16] <metalforever> spelling.
[12:16] <neveza> Yes, those are nice as well.
[12:16] <The_Zora_Wizard> Well, recently I managed to make it spin a little bit (maybe 45 degrees) but I haven’t managed to repeat that.
[12:17] <PsiWolf7> I’d try the toothpick on water trick next
[12:17] <metalforever> be careful with blowing on that
[12:17] <metalforever> zora: try a different method
[12:17] <metalforever> Im not sure that one is for you.
[12:17] <PsiWolf7> ya there is NO friction so will be easy to disturb
[12:18] <metalforever> Do you feel that you can do the “just do it” method and feel comfortable
[12:19] <The_Zora_Wizard> Well, I think I can, but seeing as how I’m fairly new, I’m not sure I understand the “just do it” part (though I guess that’s kinda what I’m doing)
[12:19] <metalforever> alright
[12:19] <metalforever> meditate before practice
[12:19] <metalforever> focus on treating it like a limb
[12:19] <metalforever> tell me how that goes .
[12:20] <The_Zora_Wizard> That’s the part that’s hard for me…
[12:20] <metalforever> what part of it is hard
[12:20] <The_Zora_Wizard> I guess I expect to feel everything about it when I’m supposed to treat it like a limb
[12:20] <The_Zora_Wizard> like my finger or something
[12:21] <metalforever> thats what associations are for.
[12:21] <metalforever> for now.
[12:21] <The_Zora_Wizard> okay, I’ll work on it.
[12:21] <metalforever> do you think about moving a limb?
[12:21] <metalforever> no.
[12:22] <metalforever> Anyway, im going to wrap this up for tonight.
[12:22] <metalforever> Focus on refining your methods
[12:22] <metalforever> next class is on Friday.
[12:23] <metalforever> yall better be practicing
[12:23] <metalforever> Same time, same place.
[12:23] <metalforever> night