[10.30.07]
This is the second Psychokinesis: Getting Started class as hosted by Metalforever.
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Log was edited for readability.
Log:
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:03:42] <metalforever> now lets get started.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:04:29] <metalforever> Well, first lets review.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:04:37] <metalforever> can anyone tell me what we learned last class?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:04:52] <magicdood> Uhm…connnecting?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:04:54] <EverLearning> 3 methods of moving the psiwheel.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:05:00] <magicdood> O”k, I was wrong.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:05:09] <EverLearning> including connecting
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:05:19] <VeRsUaL> something about write down why you want to do pk
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:05:36] <metalforever> alright
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:05:51] <metalforever> we learned about 3 methods, and connection + why it is important
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:19] <metalforever> alright
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:25] <metalforever> who here didnt do homework?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:35] <metalforever> there were two assignments.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:45] <VeRsUaL> i did my home work
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:47] * EverLearning did the homework
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:47] <Saintbob_> I just joined so…
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:06:59] <VeRsUaL> i show you my homework if you want
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:07:08] <Saintbob_> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:08:30] <VeRsUaL> http://psionicsonline.net/blog/versual
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:08:38] <VeRsUaL> theres my assignment i did
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:09:24] <VeRsUaL> also did Practice at least 5 times before the next practice session
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:09:36] <Saintbob_> Good job
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:09:50] <VeRsUaL> thx
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:09:59] <magicdood> Nice versual. Interesting experiences. 
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:02] <metalforever> since i didnt specify
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:05] <VeRsUaL> thanks
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:07] <Saintbob_> Lol
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:12] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:23] <metalforever> good job to all that did their homework
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:27] <metalforever> i got 4 submissions
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:49] <metalforever> Now that thats out of the way, lets talk about what we are to be doing today.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:57] <magicdood> Okie.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:10:58] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:11:02] <Saintbob_> okie
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:11:57] <Saintbob_> :-T
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:12:35] <metalforever> Today, our objective is to come up with our own methods for success in 
Psychokinesis. That is to say “something that works for you”. You may refer to the notes i had you take regarding your practices for this session, for assistance.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:14] <metalforever> Now, first of all, i am a firm believer of the fact that the methods that make sense to you are the ones that work best for you
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:17] <magicdood> A technique..a way to produce telekinetic movements or results.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:25] <magicdood> I agree, metal.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:31] <metalforever> thanks
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:51] <metalforever> Now first of all, i want you guys to answer. Why use a technique at all?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:13:57] <magicdood> No reason.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:10] <metalforever> be more specific.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:13] <magicdood> Except to help your belief system and too get started, eventually however, I’d say to refrain from using a method.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:28] <metalforever> what about you, saintbob and everlearning?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:28] <Saintbob_> To help us cope witht he fact that we can move stuff
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:35] <metalforever> alright.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:38] <magicdood> Because when you refrain, you are not blocking success by using the mind, but letting the consciousness accomplish the goal of psychokinesis
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:38] <EverLearning> For consistent results; even attempting to use no method will be approached consistently
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:14:44] <metalforever> any more reasons?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:02] <magicdood> To help you, when you start, a method can be useful and to build up a belief system in my opinion.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:12] <Saintbob_> I was typing that actually
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:14] <magicdood> Again, however, once progress is made, one might swtich to just doing it, for optimal results.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:29] <Saintbob_> Thats what i did
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:39] <metalforever> Alright, hold unto your thoughts. Build on them through this session.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:46] <magicdood> All right.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:49] <VeRsUaL> Using a technique is like, a confidence builder ,so when you use it you got alot of confidence in that technique. So meaning you have better success with it then one you don’t think it works.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:15:54] <metalforever> Today we are going to be working on a technique to achieve success
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:16:16] <metalforever> that was good.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:16:17] <metalforever> All of you.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:16:21] <magicdood>
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:17:06] <metalforever> Now, when you do psychokinesis, which method do you use that you find most success in? assuming youve achieved small movements before.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:17:22] <Saintbob_> Just do it
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:17:24] <magicdood> Uhm, usually moving it like a normal limb, or just doing it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:17:28] <Saintbob_> and ” psi strings”
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:17:51] <magicdood> I have had small success with a distinct, and original (as far as I know) visualization, but I soon stopped using it. I prefer more tactile methods.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:04] <metalforever> me as well.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:08] <magicdood>
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:09] <metalforever> how about you, everlearning?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:11] * EverLearning hasn’t had enough of a result with any method to say one is working more than another
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:21] <metalforever> alright, and thats totally fine
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:28] <metalforever> thats what we are here for, is to learn.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:37] * metalforever waits on versual.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:41] <EverLearning> except for, perhaps, with feeling like it’s about to move / is just waiting to move
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:18:58] <magicdood> That’s a pretty solid method in my opinion as well, though I think it can be built upon.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:10] <VeRsUaL> i figure visualize a hand then also its shape and weight then i visualize it going the object as pressure the more pressure i can use as tactile the better i have a chance at it moving
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:27] <metalforever> Alright, if thats what makes sense to you
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:35] <metalforever> good job, everyone.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:40] <Saintbob_> Thanks
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:46] <magicdood>
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:19:46] <VeRsUaL> thx
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:20:46] <metalforever> Now, when you see psychokinesis, whether fictional or nonfictional, what are your thoughts? Dont make a comment such as “wow, that was good” . I want to know how you think psychokinesis works, how you perceive it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:21:11] <metalforever> think of it as an exercise.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:21:47] <magicdood> Well, metal, I feel that psychokinesis is explained and accomplished by moving the object like a phyical limb. We live, in my beliefs, in a pool of energy and your limbs are just as connected to you as that psi wheel or pencil in front of you…so, notice that connectinon, feel it, grow it, and then move it like a limb. 
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:22:31] * metalforever waits on other responses.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:22:34] <VeRsUaL> i think the Ghost inside you the one that obe‘s or ap’s is responsible . meaning trying to stretch that ghost like out of you and use that ghost inside you which is you to move to object thats how i see pk
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:22:38] <magicdood> That was a very blunt, and concise description of what I believe, but it gets the point across…
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:22:50] <EverLearning> It has to do with energy; manipulation of energy affecting physical matter…
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:23:50] <Saintbob> My thoughts : Yeah people can do that
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:23:53] <magicdood> Everlearning, I agree to an extent, though isn’t physical matter just energy?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:23:54] <VeRsUaL> thats how i think pk works
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:09] <Saintbob> i cant even imagine how pk works
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:14] <EverLearning> perhaps in a different state
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:36] <magicdood> You belive in different planes, I assume? astral, akashik, mental, yadda yadda?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:43] <EverLearning> not exactly
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:46] <VeRsUaL> everyone get what i said?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:53] <magicdood> Yes, versual, though I disagree.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:54] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:55] <metalforever> lets move on guys.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:59] <magicdood> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:24:59] <metalforever> ponder about this though
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:25:01] <Saintbob> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:25:04] <magicdood> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:25:08] <magicdood> I always do.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:26:22] <metalforever> Now, when creating a method on achieving success in Psychokinesis, the goal is to make sure that you relay the message of a moving object to your subconscious, you your subconscious is better able to accomplish the task given to it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:26:39] <magicdood> ..sadly, I disagree. 
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:26:48] <metalforever> alright, how so, magicdood?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:26:53] <magicdood> well
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:27:41] <magicdood> I agree that the sub-c can perform pk, and for many people stuck behind their mind, it is a good vehicle to perform pk. However, if you can transcend the mind, and perform pk consciouslly, moving it like a limb, commanding the energy to move consciouslly, you will recieve far better results. Do I have any proof? Hell no. It’s simply beliefs of mine.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:28:30] <Saintbob> No proof but plausable
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:28:41] <magicdood> Yes. And fits in rather well with my studies of self-realization.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:28:43] <metalforever> possibly
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:28:50] <magicdood> That’s basically where that belief stemmed from.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:28:59] <metalforever> i encourage everyone to be open about magicdoods proposition.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:29:35] <VeRsUaL> i got a question what happens if you don’t think your subc is listening to you?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:29:38] <metalforever> Again, the methods that make sense to you are the ones that work best for you- i know from experience, ive also mentioned this in some videos
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:29:48] <metalforever> it applies to everything psionic.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:29:54] <magicdood> True metal. That’s why I’ve come to hate articles. :d
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:29:56] <metalforever> it doesnt matter if your method is totally out there
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:00] <Saintbob> Well, i dont even think about sub – c or anything i just do it
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:03] <metalforever> just as long as it makes sense.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:15] <magicdood> However, saintbob, you are most likely still getting your subc- to do it. :d
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:29] <VeRsUaL> is there a way to check and see if your subc mind is listening to you?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:38] <magicdood> And versual, your sub-c is a computer type thing…it’s not conscious..it’s not alive…it doesn’t make decisions like that. It takes in information and processes it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:39] <Saintbob> ask it
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:41] <metalforever> it doesnt matter if your method is TOTALLY different from every article youve seen in your entire life.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:43] <metalforever> thats fine.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:50] <magicdood> Exactly metal.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:30:54] <metalforever> just as long as it makes sense to you, its a great method.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:31:02] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:31:32] <magicdood> And versual, pretty much everything I say are my beliefs lol. TAke them for just that. My personal beliefs.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:31:53] <metalforever> i encouage open discussion here.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:31:54] <metalforever> so.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:01] <magicdood> Though from personal experience and from the records and experiences of others..that’s what I’ve seen.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:02] <metalforever> you have an idea thats out there- follow it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:07] <metalforever> alright
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:12] <metalforever> so building on this idea
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:28] <metalforever> i want everyone to get a pen/pencil and a piece of paper please.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:44] <metalforever> reply when finished.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:32:57] * Saintbob reply’s
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:33:16] <magicdood> I’ve got a maroon colored pencil. That will have to do.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:33:29] * EverLearning has them
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:33:35] <Saintbob> and i have a yello sharpie’
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:34:43] <Saintbob> I FOUND A PENCILE
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:38:59] <magicdood> LOl.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:02] <magicdood> Great…great…
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:23] <VeRsUaL> now everyone got paper?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:26] <Saintbob> yup
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:29] <VeRsUaL> ok good
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:39] <metalforever> Take 5 minutes to come up with an efficient method FOR YOU to practice psychokinesis with.*
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:51] <magicdood> Done.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:56] <metalforever> You will be using this method for the next few weeks
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:39:59] <VeRsUaL> i write this on paper?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:40:02] <metalforever> go into detail
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:40:03] <metalforever> yes
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:42:10] <Saintbob> ok done
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:42:21] <magicdood> Done.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:43:50] <EverLearning> done-ish
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:43:51] <VeRsUaL> done
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:44:06] <metalforever> alright
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:44:10] <metalforever> anyone care to share?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:44:26] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:44:29] <Saintbob> iwill
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:44:30] <magicdood> Meh, pretty much same as I’ve previously mentioned…no real reason to say it again. 
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:45:38] <Saintbob> Turn on some tunes, set up prop and get into a blank Trance, while singing along with the lyrics i imagine me sitting in a blank room wth the prop on a table in front of me just doing as i will
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:46:54] <VeRsUaL> Versual: Visualize my hand comming out of my hand. Then visualize it next to the object. Now add weight to the hand then use feeling of the hand. Then use pressure feeling of the object then feel the object depending on how much pressure i use the more the better to move it.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:47:15] <metalforever> alright, that was great, everyone.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:47:25] <metalforever> now for homework.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:47:27] <magicdood> “connect or become aware of connection with the object so that it feels like a limb. Don’t think. Be aware. Move it like a limb, but let it happen. No thoughts. Feel it like a limb. Comand the energy consciously”
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:47:39] <metalforever> well that was actually pretty good.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:48:10] <Saintbob> homework?.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:48:11] <magicdood>
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:49:38] <metalforever> for homework: Use created method to achieve success. Practice at least 4 hours for the next session. For each hour, record your thoughts, and things you noted whilt practicin, along with how well your method worked, etc. Do this in your blog.
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:50:05] <magicdood> Okie
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:50:36] <metalforever> To submit this homework, check the checkboxes under the input box labeled “Psychokinesis: Getting Started” and “public”
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:50:43] <metalforever> any comments/ questions?
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:51:20] <Saintbob> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:51:24] <Saintbob> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:51:34] <VeRsUaL> ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:56:01] <metalforever> i have a college paper for tommorow morn
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:56:08] <Saintbob> Ok
[Tue Oct 30 2007] [23:56:10] <Saintbob> ttyl