[11.21.07]
This is the seventh Psychokinesis: Getting Started class as hosted by Metalforever.
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Log was edited for readability.
Log:
[21:43] <metalforever> So, how are yall doing tonight?
[21:43] <FREAK> wonderful
[21:44] <cowman809> ok
[21:44] <Shira> I feel quite calm and happy, which is an odd combo for me.
[21:44] <metalforever> everlearning, how are you doing tonight?
[21:44] <metalforever> today, this class is going to be taking a bit of a different direction
[21:44] <metalforever> but first i must ask if anyone here was at the last class session?
[21:45] <cowman809> i read the last class about gripping.
[21:45] <EverLearning> I’m all right…a bit tired. And was at last class
[21:45] <metalforever> alright, can you describe what exactly you learned about “gripping”, and if you think it will/will not benefit you… along with your opinnon regarding methodlessness.
[21:45] <cowman809> you remember how moving an object made you feel and do it
[21:46] <cowman809> i like methodlessness a lot and gripping has showed tiny results but, i am getting better
[21:47] <cowman809> methodlessness is like just do it right
[21:47] <metalforever> sort of, yes.
[21:48] <metalforever> alright, i feel that in this class, i have assisted you guys as far as i can for advancement in the psiwheel, all thats left for yall is practice, and maintaining a schedule
[21:49] <metalforever> so, today i would like to tell about a few alternative ways to practice, and we will also discuss 
Micro-Psychokinesis. i hope thats alright.
[21:49] <cowman809> i love micro pk
[21:49] <metalforever> me too, its a shame its seldomly practiced.
[21:50] <FREAK> i love micro PK
[21:50] <metalforever> Alright, first of all, when you practice Macro-Psychokinesis, which object do you currently practice with and why?
[21:50] <FREAK> so fun
[21:50] <EverLearning> I practiced it a little a few months ago–when playing RISK >:D
[21:51] <FREAK> when i did practice, i used a quarter
[21:51] <metalforever> alright, cowman, what do you practice with, macro Psychokinesis wise?
[21:51] <FREAK> used it becasue i was at the level to which i could levitate it
[21:51] <Vulcanis> I’m suprised how little makeshift pendulums are used.
[21:52] <cowman809> um most of the time i used a psiwheel, sometimes a pen. but after reading the gripping article im going to start using the foil
[21:52] <Vulcanis> they’re ALOT easier to see progress with than wheels
[21:52] <Vulcanis> And I know some people differ on this… but psiwheels tend to be a bad idea to start out with
[21:52] <metalforever> actually, i was going to have you discuss those.
[21:52] <cowman809> more success today with foil than psiwheel
[21:52] <EverLearning> psiwheel, sometimes foil, sometimes random objects. Piqued interest in pendulums now, from what I read right now
[21:53] <metalforever> ok, first of all, why might you want to use an alternative object besides the psiwheel for your practice?
[21:53] <EverLearning> 1)Psiwheels are easy to move with just your breath
[21:53] <cowman809> so you dont start thinking its the only way to pk
[21:54] <metalforever> right.
[21:54] <cowman809> subconsciously
[21:54] <metalforever> why do i think you might want to use an alternative method for success in beginners psychokinesis?
[21:55] <metalforever> using the psiwheel is repetitive, its good to switch it up, psiwheels are boring and a pain in the arse to make, to put it bluntly.
[21:55] <Shira> good enough reason for me
[21:55] <metalforever> when i first started, i didnt use a psiwheel because i thought they were a pain in the arse to make
[21:55] <metalforever> i used a little pendulum device…
[21:55] <Shira> I made one… then the dog ate half of it
[21:56] <Vulcanis> I didn’t use a psiwheel because I can’t fold.
[21:56] <metalforever> lmao the string is still sitting attached to my ceiling.
[21:56] <metalforever> right.
[21:56] <metalforever> all good reasons
[21:56] <metalforever> Alright vulcanis, i want you to discuss the use of a pendulum
[21:56] <Vulcanis> alright, So, Whats a pendulum.
[21:57] <cowman809> something hanging off a string
[21:57] <Vulcanis> Liar!
[21:57] <Vulcanis> Really, a pendulum can just be a string
[21:57] <Vulcanis> It just needs to hang from something, and hang down
[21:57] <Vulcanis> it helps to have a weight at the end, though
[21:57] <Vulcanis> the easiest kind to make, is either, as metal did, hang string from your ceiling…
[21:57] <Vulcanis> Or get a glass container, flip it over
[21:58] <Vulcanis> tape some string to the bottom on the inside and use it from there
[21:58] <Vulcanis> the reason this is better, is because with a pendulum, you don’t effect it as much with your breath, and its more of a push than a spin that you’re trying to give it
[21:58] <Vulcanis> its also easier to measure… where a psiwheel can still go for revolutions with momentum, with a pendulum, you’re trying to force it in one direction
[21:58] <metalforever> which will probably benefit you when you go on to rolling and sliding objects
[21:59] <Vulcanis> you can put a piece of paper with even marks in an X on the paper below the glass
[21:59] <Vulcanis> When it comes to making it move… same idea with pens and stuff.
[21:59] <Vulcanis> use whatever method you want, but push/pull it. Doesn’t really matter where on the string, though the tip/weight would probably be best
[22:00] <metalforever> you can also use the method you created in this class, if you feel it would apply.
[22:00] <Vulcanis> Again, same method you would normally use to push/pull something
[22:01] <metalforever> alright, great job vulcanis.
[22:01] <metalforever> Why do you prefer using a pendulum?
[22:01] <Vulcanis> To start out? Because I can’t fold things, but mostly because its easier to measure, seems… larger, and tends to be easier for most people.
[22:02] <metalforever> alright. so thats one alternatvie to using the psiwheel
[22:02] <Vulcanis> it also keeps people from getting stuck in the “Well, everyone spins psiwheels, so it must only apply to those” rut
[22:02] <metalforever> Okay, and then there is tring to spin foil laying on a flat surface
[22:03] <cowman809> those are pretty hard to fold up
[22:03] <cowman809> took me 30 minuets
[22:03] <metalforever> in all honestly, i always had trouble trying to get it to actually “spin” because i dont know how to fold it, and it usually ends up tipping
[22:03] <cowman809> same here
[22:03] <cowman809> metal
[22:03] <metalforever> but, thats another great alternative way of practice
[22:03] <metalforever> i might alctually try to get genjo to make an explanation vid.
[22:04] <metalforever> anyway. Why might you want to try to spin foil on a flat surface?
[22:05] <EverLearning> it’s bigger
[22:05] <metalforever> right.
[22:05] <metalforever> its also good for advancing from the psiwheel, to rolling- at least in my opinion
[22:07] <metalforever> alright, so those are just a few other ways or methods for practicing
[22:08] <metalforever> if vulcanis, or anyone else can think of some other methods to share, theyd be welcome
[22:08] <FREAK> mine are too in depth
[22:09] <FREAK> mine require a dedicated schedual and certian preresqueite practices before even moving on to the psiwheel
[22:09] <metalforever> right, well we went over schedules and all of that in this class.
[22:09] <metalforever> im hoping at least someone remembers, or applied it
[22:09] <metalforever> thats the problem here- people dont take initiative.
[22:10] <metalforever> still freak, it doesnt matter if you get in-depth, this is an open ended class
[22:10] <FREAK> Well, i like to mix in a Qi Gong technique called bone breathing
[22:10] <FREAK> along with Meditation
[22:11] <FREAK> bone breathing allows you to learn how to manipulate the energy better and faster than anyother method of beginners practice (psiball)
[22:12] <metalforever> well i feel that meditation helps you with a lot of things regarding psionic phenomena, but thats all opinion. I reserve my judgements. Some of these newbies would greatly benefit from it
[22:12] <metalforever> its a shame they, again, dont take initiative.
[22:12] <FREAK> we have what 4 newbies?
[22:12] <metalforever> there are 40 people in this class.
[22:13] <FREAK> oh my
[22:13] <metalforever> i just didnt send out the emails in time
[22:13] <metalforever> .
[22:13] <FREAK> great work there metal, great work
[22:13] <metalforever> (perhaps on purpose, lol.)
[22:13] <metalforever> thanks.
[22:14] <metalforever> just click on the class button on the site, therein 6-7 classes are listed with the amount of participants
[22:14] <metalforever> anyway.
[22:15] <metalforever> anyway, i guess Freak is going to dedicate a whole lesson to his method and meditation, so i feel we should move on to the micro-psychokinesis part of the lesson.
[22:16] <metalforever> First of all, in your opinion, what is it?
[22:16] <Vulcanis> effecting probability
[22:16] * FREAK keeps quiet to let the noobs answser
[22:16] <cowman809> influening chance
[22:16] <cowman809> and random number generators
[22:18] <metalforever> Micro-pk is usually more subtle than macropsychokinesis, and may, thus go un noticed
[22:18] <metalforever> its the ability to affect probability and outcomes
[22:20] <metalforever> alright, now as far as i have noticed, for beginners in psychokinesis, or perhaps just is general, micro psychokinesis has far more applications than macropsychokinesis might at this level
[22:20] <metalforever> In your opinion, what can micro psychokinesis be used for?
[22:20] <cowman809> winning in dice based games
[22:21] <cowman809> thats what i mainly use it for
[22:21] <EverLearning> pretty much
[22:21] <EverLearning> that’s the obvious thing that comes to ming
[22:21] <metalforever> alright, freak, can you think of any other ways that Micro-Psychokinesis may be used?
[22:22] <cowman809> coin tossing
[22:22] <metalforever> coin tossing yes.
[22:22] <FREAK> anything that deals with chance, luck, or probability, card games, slots, dice games, and the fun part, computer games
[22:23] <metalforever> computer games, yes yes.
[22:23] <cowman809> ah using it in computer games. so cruel yet so fun
[22:23] <metalforever> alright, so on a whole, you are probably more likely to use Micro psychokinesis in daily applications
[22:23] <FREAK> take for instance, a simple but yet complicated game
[22:24] <FREAK> Runescape
[22:24] <FREAK> when attacking an enemy on the game
[22:25] <FREAK> you can use Micro_PK to maximize your HP damage onto the charecter
[22:25] <Shira> almost all games have a random factor
[22:25] <cowman809> i guess so
[22:26] <cowman809> you just need to learn what it is and exploit it
[22:27] <FREAK> and it makes a random number in between those two
[22:27] * metalforever has cheated at many games
[22:28] <Shira> haha
[22:28] <Ikaika> LOLLOLOLOL
[22:28] <metalforever> anyway. yeah. thats getting off topic.
[22:28] <Shira> I only do after beating them normally… or all the time in any of the games I make
[22:28] <metalforever> Now, in your opinion, how does macro psychokinesis work? what causes it to function?
[22:29] <metalforever> what makes it possible?
[22:29] <cowman809> i know
[22:29] <cowman809> i will begin typing it up
[22:29] <cowman809> actually i will just look for it and paste it here
[22:29] <cowman809> ill be back
[22:30] <metalforever> well cowman is doing what i usually require from this class.
[22:30] <metalforever> but i decided to take the lazy train today.
[22:31] <metalforever> if anyone else feels the need- Take 5 minutes to come up with the answers to the questions above, in your opinion.
[22:32] <cowman809> when i do psychokinesis i think that our brain’s atoms have a natural property of being able to influence other atoms since after all everything is made up of atoms. this action is represented by psi. now this is pretty heavy on the brain, so you would need a good amount of sleep and nutrition, just like running. you cant run if you haven;t eaten.
[22:32] <cowman809> thats what i posted
[22:32] <cowman809> 2 weeks ago
[22:33] <cowman809> there is another part
[22:33] <cowman809> i have actually come up with a theory of my own, using actual scientific journals as reference. ok there was this experiment that atoms “knew” what other atoms’ states were even ones theoreticaly billions of light years away. i think that our brain’s atoms are able to influence other atoms by this property.
[22:33] <cowman809> that explains the first part
[22:33] <cowman809> http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html
[22:33] <metalforever> Alright, i remember this response.
[22:34] <cowman809> thats the scientific journal
[22:34] <cowman809> its very cool
[22:34] <metalforever> if you feel that you can apply this philosophy to micro psychokinesis, feel free to do so
[22:34] <metalforever> Here i encourage having your own method , for people that usually arent here.
[22:34] <cowman809> all psionics i think is based on this
[22:34] <metalforever> why? everyone works different, and has diferent perceptions and outlooks..
[22:35] <metalforever> alright
[22:35] <Vulcanis> once everyone is done, I want to make a comment
[22:35] <metalforever> sure… dont think anyone else did it though
[22:35] <metalforever> feel free.
[22:36] <Vulcanis> There is a theory, which I’m not sure is true or not
[22:36] <Vulcanis> But what if Micro PK and Macro PK aren’t really that different?
[22:36] <Vulcanis> What if, theres a chance of the object randomly moving
[22:36] <Vulcanis> and you’re just making that more common.
[22:36] <metalforever> discuss.
[22:37] <cowman809> i see where you are going
[22:37] <cowman809> like in binary (for computer games) making more ones than zeroes appear
[22:37] <Vulcanis> its more complicated than that
[22:38] <Vulcanis> but yes
[22:38] <metalforever> alright.
[22:38] <metalforever> any other views here?
[22:38] <EverLearning> probability has a physical basis, so micropk isn’t that much different than macropk
[22:40] <Shira> thanks for that link cowman, it’s very interesting
[22:40] <metalforever> Alright, so yall feel (as a whole) that micro psychokinesis is the”same” as macropsychokinesis?
[22:40] <metalforever> good.
[22:40] <metalforever> use that.
[22:40] <cowman809> yeah
[22:40] <metalforever> if you dont? thats okay too
[22:41] <metalforever> we are going to spend 5 minutes coming up with our own methods to influence probability and chance.
[22:41] <metalforever> do this now,.
[22:43] <cowman809> similar to the just do it method. just will the result you want to happen. like on a dice, just keeping saying in your head 4! 4! 4!
[22:45] <metalforever> alright, freak, in your opinion, what are the pros and cons of such a method.
[22:46] <FREAK> pros, its easy to think like that
[22:46] <cowman809> ok
[22:46] <FREAK> cons, doesnt always work like that, if you just say 4 in you head, it might come out in various ways
[22:47] <FREAK> multiple of 4
[22:47] <FREAK> divisor of 4
[22:47] <FREAK> that sort of thing
[22:47] <cowman809> i see
[22:47] <FREAK> what you want to do in correlation to that method is to visualize it
[22:47] <FREAK> visualize those 4 dots
[22:47] <FREAK> on the dice
[22:48] <FREAK> or the 4 hearts on the card
[22:48] <metalforever> right.
[22:48] <cowman809> i do that sometimes too, but thanks ill keep that in mind
[22:48] <metalforever> thanks freak.
[22:50] <metalforever> anyway.
[22:50] <metalforever> now on to the exercise.
[22:50] <metalforever> everyone get a coin a piece of paper and a pen/pencil.
[22:50] <EverLearning> there’s this intuitive, almost tactile feeling that I get when I try to RV; so like that, “feel it”
[22:51] <metalforever> yes
[22:51] <cowman809> ready
[22:52] <metalforever> alright.
[22:52] <metalforever> now. you guessed it!
[22:53] <metalforever> we are going to try to influence the probability of the coin you are about to flip.
[22:53] <metalforever> alright, try for heads…. like all things, micropsychokinesis takes practice, especially if you are new.
[22:53] <metalforever> ok., flip the coin 50 times
[22:54] <metalforever> record your results on the piece of paper.
[22:54] <metalforever> im going to give this 10 minutes.
[23:03] <cowman809> 27 heads 23 tails
[23:04] <metalforever> alright…. well
[23:05] <metalforever> i should probably assign homework
[23:06] <metalforever> Your homework is to attempt to obtain a grasp for Micro-Psychokinesis. AKA Practice. Record you experiences in your blog if possible, along with your results, and post the blog entry to the class page by checking the “Psychokinesis:Getting Started” checkbox.
[23:06] <metalforever> Also, try some alternative ways of practice with macropsychokinesis
[23:07] <metalforever> any questions/ comments?