training in a lucid dream?

I always thought you could but who knows. I hope that's possible. Would be much easier.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Afterreading this article

[a href="http://www.spiritwatch.ca/applications_of_lucid_dreaming_i.htm" target="_blank"]http://www.spiritwatch.ca/applications_of_..._dreaming_i.htm[/a]

it makes me think?

can you use lucid dreaming to train things like PK, telepathy, or even energy manipulation?

Pretty interesting article...I can see how one could substitute sports for psi abilities...

Check out the article right above it..."Ethical Issues for Applications of Lucid Dreaming: An Introduction, by Joseph Dane. I think there have been a couple of threads that have to do with ethics and such...I found the article had some pretty valid points....others were complete nonsense in my opinion.
However...the author of the article (second one that I just pointed out) did admit a couple of times that he welcomed criticism because he was a couple of decades outdated. BUT, he did point out the media hype that distorts the situation (I think that most of us can relate to psibilities) I didn't like that he thought that lucid dreaming could mess up a person. I mean, similarly, if someone takes some crazy psychdelcs and (person) has issues, it strips away whatever your convictions you have to reveal the truth, and some people can't handle that, and have issues, just like that lady that got beaten/abused.
But I think I'm going slightly off topic. What I REALLY wanted to point out was the last part of the article, entitled: lucidity as intrapersonal psychotherapy. I think it might help if during (just a thought of mine) if we can engage both parts (see article) then we can become more whole...I did like that part.
One last thing, and I don't remember which article it was in, but the question did make me wonder: If, say, we become good enough at LD, that we do so EVERY night, could that be an issue, because if we are constantly "controlling" our dreams (via LD), does that mean that we might ignore/lose out on ideas and realizations that our "normal," sleeping self would normally receive, that is, non-LD? I guess this last thought sort of ties in to the previous intrapersonal psychotherapy question.
Anyway, thanks to Grimace for the article link.

P.S. Not that I really care, or that I'm even taking it personally (seriously, I'm not ) but a couple of comments have been made that I think we a little assumptive. Just because someone is sharing their opinion and rambles on a bit (and I can ADMIT I do ramble on quite often) doesn't necessarily mean that they're smoking something. I just have issues with editing. +, I just like to share what I have to say COMPLETELY, that way, less issues come up, semantically speaking.

*a day later - edited*
the last (little) paragraph was actually meant for other threads...in case anybody wanted to know.

I'm not positive, but I have a theory, and it's a yes and no.

Yes: A lucid dream is the production of your subconscious, and being in control of it. Therefore, training in a lucid dream could train and trick your subconscious into believing that psionics are more doable than you thought, and help you do them outside of a dream.

No: Alternatively, you could also be convinced that you can only do psionics in your lucid dreams. Additionally, anything is possible in a lucid dream. Therefore, you may be convinced you're doing 'dream-psionics,' when really you're not doing anything but manipulating your subconscious in different ways.

I've never done it before, so I can't speak much else on the subject. I'm actually still a novice in lucid dreaming. But I've offered my input. Good luck.

I'm very confident that it will help you do TK. Two reasons: (If you are a person who just wants to read the important stuff, just skip to point two.)

1) I remember about a month ago, I was trying to move the Psi-Wheel from a distance, without any luck. I layed down in my bed, frusturated. I tried thinking of alternate methods of doing Tk that would help my SubC understand my goal of moving the Psiwheel at a distance. I remembered reading something about people using a LD state to "break the boundaries of reality." (Very fluffy, I know) I thought it wouldn't hurt to try out, so I relaxed myself and asked my SubC to get me into a LD state. My SubC delivered, and my lower body went into sleep paralisis, which is when your body is asleep, but your mind is awake, and you have a greater connection to your SubC. Sleep paralisis is the state you are in when you are LD'ing, for those who don't know. I looked over to the Psiwheel, and asked it to move for me. After a few moments of asking and trying to get it to move, it started shaking, and started spinning. I was quite suprised that it had moved quite easily, after trying without any luck. I understand that it may have been a psychiological thing that I truly believed I could move it because I was in that state, but I, personaly don't think so.

2) Just yesterday, I was watching something on how you can get better at doing things while asleep, during the dreaming period. The show gave an example on how if a person is learning how to play soccer, practice for an hour or so, then dream about you doing the same things, your brain (and I believe, in turn your SubC) learns the moves as you do them in the dream state. Tk is a skill to be learned, just like soccer. If you reach a LD state, or you happen to have a dream about doing Tk, then yes, you can learn it.

You should try going into a LD and see where that gets you. Good luck.

are you talking about that show the human body pushing the limits on the discovery channel?
i saw it too it is pretty awesome ;D

Beating a game in god mode does have its advantages.

I was watching TV on the Human body and it spoke how when you dream, you are refining your nervous system within your brain from what you have learned. Essentially, you become better though sleep. However, you can't rely on sleep just for that though.

Erm see, this person i know is studying lucid dreaming and he seems really into it, see he believes i have this condition in which i DON'T dream, something about these cycles being messed up in my head...i mean sometimes i do, but extremely rarely, im just wondering if this will affect my LD because i want to use it to help my PK...

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Afterreading this article

[a href="http://www.spiritwatch.ca/applications_of_lucid_dreaming_i.htm" target="_blank"]http://www.spiritwatch.ca/applications_of_..._dreaming_i.htm[/a]

it makes me think?

can you use lucid dreaming to train things like PK, telepathy, or even energy manipulation?

Sometimes beings attack you during dreams (as dreams just take place in the sixth dimension) It happened to me before and I was able to use, uh, to put it short, an awesome EM technique to kill it.

But yeah, I think you definitely can if you're at the level to be able to control your dreams that well.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Sometimes beings attack you during dreams (as dreams just take place in the sixth dimension) It happened to me before and I was able to use, uh, to put it short, an awesome EM technique to kill it.
again, evidence??

I've used such method before, but it seems to explain the infamous psychokinetic "feel", rather than prepare you. For instance, I may have a dream I am moving, let's say a familiar object in my room. I'll feel how I did it, and in real life I'll try to recreate this sensation. See dreams as classrooms, as you won't instantly learn your skill without training it in real life, but it can really help you.

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Sometimes beings attack you during dreams (as dreams just take place in the sixth dimension) It happened to me before and I was able to use, uh, to put it short, an awesome EM technique to kill it.
again, evidence??

[a href="http://secretsofthemind.googlepages.com/dimensions" target="_blank"]http://secretsofthemind.googlepages.com/dimensions[/a]

Beating the ol' dead horse: Logically sound but only provable if you look into it yourself.

I think it could really be a great tool to get you past mental blocks..after all it seems lucid dreams are much easier to do things in....without knowing what it was until just a few minutes ago i've had 7 or 8 in the past few weeks....and a while ago, Lucid dreams were what caused me to get into Psionics, the feel of the ability without actually knowing that I could do it kind of made me realize that it was truly possible.

Well. I have dreamed about psionics quite a lot. (just this morning I woke up after dreaming about spinning a fork) And I have consistently dreamed about psionics throughout my years (starting in 6th grade).

Sleep makes what you learn into solid memory (thinking here..) and when you sleep, instead of cramming, you actually learn more.( also the brain measures difficulty based on the time it takes (to study))

But when I am about to sleep, I get images or begin to dream (you know...when you are making a story that you control when half asleep) and I have gotten amazing things out of it.I got a really awsome dress design. I have gotten a few lucid dreams too.

I woke up the other morning, and I finally got an idea "how would the OBJECT feel when it is moved?" and it worked amazingly well.Dreaming/sleeping works out problems and gives you amazing results.

I have thought the same thing too. But wouldn't it be no fun if you were basically awake in all of your dreams, and in full control? I mean..I get epic fights, amazing stories (mainly with awsome plots, and battles with psionics (oddly enough)). I tend to remember my dreams and I would not like to control them too much. I have not had a nightmare in a LONG time (knock on wood).

Let the dream workout how psionics works, maybe? I mean, doesn't the subC know how to best?
perhaps (half sleep dream) your subC to teach you, begin the dream plot (it usually works for me)

BTW, has anyone had those "I remember how this goes" or "this happened this time so I will do this, this time" in their dreams? anyone repeated their dreams and say, "HEY, I remember this!!" in their dream (happens to me a LOT)

I think lucid dreaming would work, but for me, I would not do them too much, I like to leave the problem solving to the professionals (gestures to subC..some how..) (seems like I lost track here...)
I say YES to lucid dreaming practice, BUT it could (?) be detrimental if you do it too much. I mean, you can have too much of anything.

Also, I wonder if the 10,000 hour idea applies to psionics also ( 10,000 hours of practicing on thing = pro (like music for instance)) These are just my thoughts, I am NO expert.
WOW, this is a very long post and to those who have read the entirety of my ramble, thank you and you rock!!

I dont think so. Lucid dreams are very different than real life. I've tried it, didnt make a difference anyways. You can DO psionics FROM a lucid dream (like go to somebody telepathically) but I dont think you can practice inside one.

"BTW, has anyone had those "I remember how this goes" or "this happened this time so I will do this, this time" in their dreams? anyone repeated their dreams and say, "HEY, I remember this!!" in their dream (happens to me a LOT)"

all the time.

"Also, I wonder if the 10,000 hour idea applies to psionics also ( 10,000 hours of practicing on thing = pro (like music for instance)) "

the time you spend practicing anything dosent mean anything. its how you spend that time that matters.

i dont really know what exactly you were trying to say, but you have some interesting ideas in there

Reading retrospectively, I did lose track of my point and ramble... but I think that I got some parts of my idea across (?)....(sorry about that)