Gravity

You mean using PK to lift something? Same way youd use PK to move anything else..You use PK to make a pen roll for example. Do the same thing, but make it go up instead. I cant normally levitate things(normally) but thats how I assume one would go about it.

Gravity manipulation? From my knowledge of physics, improbable. Unless you create large mass of energy which would be impractical and improbable.

[a href="http://www.ppsociety.com/w_sciencev.php?id=8" target="_blank"]http://www.ppsociety.com/w_sciencev.php?id=8[/a]

but, its probably impractical for use on a large scale, you'd be better to just use simple pk to levitate something.

Gravity may be bent when we use TK.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Gravity may be bent when we use TK.

Aren't we normally just working against gravity when practicing TK/levitation, like we do when manipulating something physically? I never really thought of it as "bending" gravity. ;D

Bending gravity? We are all bending gravity, just so little that it does nothing. At least, according to Einstein's theory. Really, I have little faith that we're using gravity to move objects. I'm going with the approach where ErikJDurwoodII has lead me is that we're manipulating potential energy and moving objects with that.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]I'm going with the approach where ErikJDurwoodII has lead me is that we're manipulating potential energy and moving objects with that.

Sounds a sensible theory to me. Also correlates with the way things seem to move (certainly with the way I feel them moving in my head, if that makes sense...). ;D

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]I'm going with the approach where ErikJDurwoodII has lead me is that we're manipulating potential energy and moving objects with that.

your not the only one

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]How would one learn how to do Gravity Manipulation, Gravity-PK ??? I seen couple people on youtube lifiting up a psi wheel. I know that you can't trust videos now and days but I think its very possible to learn such an ability like this.

In a mage's eyes, gravity is essentially another element. I don't have experience with it so you'd have to figure it out yourself but it's doable.

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How would one learn how to do Gravity Manipulation, Gravity-PK ??? I seen couple people on youtube lifiting up a psi wheel. I know that you can't trust videos now and days but I think its very possible to learn such an ability like this.

In a mage's eyes, gravity is essentially another element. I don't have experience with it so you'd have to figure it out yourself but it's doable.

Explain how gravity is in any way an element. And everyone has experience with gravity hehe.

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How would one learn how to do Gravity Manipulation, Gravity-PK ??? I seen couple people on youtube lifiting up a psi wheel. I know that you can't trust videos now and days but I think its very possible to learn such an ability like this.

In a mage's eyes, gravity is essentially another element. I don't have experience with it so you'd have to figure it out yourself but it's doable.

Explain how gravity is in any way an element. And everyone has experience with gravity hehe.

I said essentially. Gravity is one thing I don't know a lot about in terms of relation to magic, but it's classified and used in the same sense as the other elements.

well...this is psionics, not magic. psions dont talk about mages, or elemental energies. if you do, your dabbling in magic, not bringing it to psionics. they are separate things.

Uh, they're almost the same thing. Magic is more of a blanket term, psionics a specialized.

Its like saying hermetics is not magic. Its just a different way of achieving the same goal.

We still do not know exactly what gravity is, and that puts gravitational force in the same category as psychokinetic force.

(Personally, I think gravity is caused by the spatial distortion that energy causes at the subatomic level, the "bunched up" space around particles creates a bubble around large objects causing a spatial gradient which attracts other objects which will drift toward areas with more space)

we do know what it is, in terms of einstienium relativity. it is simply the bending of space-time to create a force.
we do not know what it is in terms of particle physics or quantum physics (the hypothetical 'graviton' is often thrown around. i think somewhere they are looking for it, but they havent found it yet)

I believe we are effecting potential energy when we use any form of PK. However, all mass exerts a gravitational force on other mass. Perhaps the potential energy is merely an increase of this?

I got into a discussion about this with my father. I'm glad my parents don't think I'm crazy. <_<

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]well...this is psionics, not magic. psions dont talk about mages, or elemental energies. if you do, your dabbling in magic, not bringing it to psionics. they are separate things.

Yeah, they fairly often do, particularly because a lot of psions also practice other forms of magery.

They're seperate things? Mmm, well to get one thing straight, psionics is a form of magic, magic being a field of science basically. But yes, psionics is a different field from the other forms of magic, such as forcecraft, (basically, use of elemental energy manipulation,) etc. We're having a debate over all of this in the "magic experimentation" thread, but you have to realize that they're all connected to an extent. As energy and often it's manipulation is the base of basically all magic, including psionics, they're all linked at the heart.
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[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Uh, they're almost the same thing. Magic is more of a blanket term, psionics a specialized.

Its like saying hermetics is not magic. Its just a different way of achieving the same goal.

yerp.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]We still do not know exactly what gravity is, and that puts gravitational force in the same category as psychokinetic force.

yerp.

It is a fact in science that matter bends space, or actually, matter generates gravity which bends space. To effectively cancel out the gravity field of an object the size of earth, you'd need an immense amount of energy(gravity is the weakest force in comparison to some other forms of force, see [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction)" target="_blank"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction)[/a] . The easiest way to 'levitate' something, is to use PK on it, and give it more force(in Newton) than the gravitational field of the Earth gives it. Also, I'm wondering if you can create [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton" target="_blank"]gravitons[/a] with psionics. I'm not entirely sure what all the implications are of Psi.

Bending gravity? It would be the equivalent of stopping the force of 200 nuclear bombs by yourself. The Earth spins around the sun at an incredible speed, and just as well spins over it's own axis, going at such a speed that it creates it's own gravitational force and keeps all of the objects and beings of earth on the ground. Bend gravity, and you've earned a status known as "God".

However, instead of going against the force, one could redirect the kinetic energy that's being generated because of all the movement. Think with the flow, not against it.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]but you have to realize that they're all connected to an extent.
connected does not mean theyre the same...end of discussion.
save it for the other thread instead of taking this one off topic more.

lets work this out,

to put it into perspective. to create the gravitational pull of the earth, you would need 1.7922 *10^33J of energy. not sure what this means in relation to psi, but thats a shitload of energy

I am not proposing a redirection of the entire planet's gravitational pull, just the way it effects the object, we know that certain states of matter can demonstrate this.

in that case, there is something called the geodetic effect. where a spinning object actually takes the space-time it is in and warps it into a kinda vortex around it. now, this only happens extremely marginally, and to measure it, a group of scientists needed a satelite with EXTREMELY accurate gyroscopes.

but anyway, if you could psionically utilise that to an extent, you may be able to use gravity to "pull" the object up, by warping space-time in the correct way.

Right, I think using tools to create that effect might be a century away, but adding intuition to the equation can make elements of seemingly impossible complexity come together.

Yes...Like u create a psi-shield around it....Elimiating Laws of Gravity Within It....
Yur...Hypothetically.....Possible

No, it isn't hypothetically possible.

[!--quoteo--][div class='quotetop']QUOTE [/div][div class='quotemain'][!--quotec--]Yes...Like u create a psi-shield around it....Elimiating Laws of Gravity Within It....
Yur...Hypothetically.....Possible

Do you even think about what you're saying? Psionics != magic, (and no I don't mean the actual kind of practice I mean that psionics isn't the irrational tool to just easily tear apart any problem) there's no simple way to just make gravity no longer exist in an area. Even with a very powerful range of tools I couldn't think of how to go about doing that.

Magic (In all forms) can't, either.