Can we maybe drop the DBZ fluff and get back to psionics? ..knocking someone back with a concussion-like blast from a psiball or related construct? Nuclear fisson? Seriously.
The practices you mentioned, such as telepathy, PK, etc are very much related to psionics and the experiments we all have done. Most (if not all) of us have experienced these on some level. Thus is the beginning of our experiments and discussions. Moving a pencil, spinning a psiwheel, sending and manipulation energy shields, constructs, etc. is one thing. Harnessing the ability to manipulate ANYTHING requires baby steps. The greatest weightlifters in the world don\'t begin with 300lb. bars. The greatest minds in the world don\'t begin at MIT. If we begin looking at psionics in such an a$$backward way so that we are focusing on HARYUUKIN! blasts instead of the fundamental basics, it\'s akin to building a house from the attic down. We need to be mindful of the future and what is possible while remaining grounded in the present or we will go NOWHERE. our research will be for nil.
My comments have not been troll-ish in nature. I never stated psionics was a farce, NOR did I say these things are impossible. Concussive blasts and the like, however... we aren\'t anywhere near discussing it. It\'s a waste of time. The ONLY individuals I\'d even put close to that haven\'t been able to pull it off, and I\'m thinking people like JoeT or Peebrain... if anyone even remembers them. We\'ve had some very talented individuals working in this field and I\'m hoping we could keep at least a similar standard as it\'s been in the past. There are some very good discussions here and I feel embarassed that people perusing that aren\'t familiar with psionics might see this kind of thing. Not only is it not even remotely proveable at the moment, it makes us look like roleplayers instead of scientists.
wolf5597: \"If so many other applications of psionics are possible such as telepethy, telekinesis, and so on. Why is it this is one in paticular is not? Energy is energy no matter how you define it. If you one can successfully harness ones energy, I believe, you can use it to manipulate the energy of objects. So if you are only here to troll and not add any usefull ideas to the discussion then get out.\"
Is Psi Physical? well.. In my opinion, I\'d tend to describe it as something at a quantum level.. particles that make up physical objects... that are influenced by thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
These particles make up everything around us, and are affected by us.. it\'s all the same energy. Through the study and use of psionics we are just learning and realizing how to manipulate this energy to recreate the world around us; to alter the way we interact with \"things\". I think that the foundation of this includes the basic practices we all study: empathy, telepathy, PK, RV, etc.. and from there we open the door to HOW this energy works so we can apply it.
For me personally, I think it\'s gotten past the physical manipulations: let\'s use an example.. let\'s say I want to influence a psiwheel. instead of focusing on the physical movement, I focus on the final FEELING I get once I achieve my goal. How exactly do I feel? I\'ve found that by focusing on the effect and not the cause.. the what instead of the HOW... I get better, more predictable results.
If you look at weather manipulation.. years ago I used to focus on the clouds, or the feeling of the wind. My results were at about 50% success rate, if that. Now I focus on that final feeling, skipping entirely the HOW. I\'d say I have at least a 80% success rate. I\'m still experimenting. Try reading Rhonda Byrne\'s \"the secret\" or watching the same titled movie. I\'d also recommend Michael Talbot\'s \"Holigraphic Universe\" and Anything by James Arthur Ray (Harmonic Wealth, the Science of success). Although I did find this information on my own, I have noticed that Sean (Peebrain from PsiPog) also mentions similar material and ideas on the new blog (alittleweird.com). So I know I can\'t entirely be on the wrong page.
What I\'ve found seems to work for me and has increased my successes. I can only share my thoughts and experiences.. I\'ve found that by applying these principles to my psionic practice I have learned so much about this thing we call psi.. and how I use this material to interact with my environment in positive ways.
Instead of focusing on Gambit\'s abilities.. why not focus on shielding so that it\'s not even necessary to create an explosion? (not to mention that there\'s no physical say to make an object explode in the manner you describe, atom splitting or not). Moving an object is one thing.. focus on that.
But you\'re not. you\'re focusing on fluff. You don\'t want to move something, you want to be a comic book character. Sure it\'s a cool ability. I love Gambit.. but I don\'t expect to recreate the ability using psionics. SOME laws of physics aren\'t easily broken. You can\'t make an explosion out of nothing... energy or not. Energy doesn\'t explode. Matter explodes... under very specific circumstances.
Baby steps, yes.. REALISTIC baby steps. When you can spin a psiwheel under glass.. spin a pencil without touching it, move garbage cans.. once you have the ability to move heavier objects, THEN revisit this topic. It\'s pointless to ask HOW it\'s going to work if you\'re nowhere near the start.
It\'s like learning to tie your shoes- when you have velcro shoes.
Might as well say, \"I can teach you how to write a letter. All you need to know are the letters A, C, and F and the number 6.\"
You are starting at the attic, with your eyes on the stars.
Most of us are working on using psi in realistic ways.. USABLE ways. Ways we can take baby steps and see results so that we have the motivation to move on.
I stand by my statement: blowing shit up with your mind? FLUFF. Even if you could, you\'d still have to at least be able to move something using PK. ENERGY ALONE DOESN\'T EXPLODE.
yeah energy doesnt explode. those blasts you see in tv are basically giant sledgehammers made of energy used to crush/disentegrate the hell out of their opponent. i wish some of these topics had a good 2 page conversation like this shitty one. might be able to learn some more stuff...
Energy just IS. it\'s here, it\'s there, we can move it, focus it, compress it.. but ENERGY doesn\'t explode. If you put a lot of energy into one small area.. you have a small area with a lot of energy in it. that\'s it. it\'s not going to explode. it\'s not going to push you without PK involved. it won\'t do ANYthing by itself. manipulating energy alone without any other practices is kind of like drawing in the sand with a stick. you can move it, but you have to be able to DO something with it. you need some kind of force, some kind of physical movement to create something like that...
IF you are intent on really furthering yourself in this field... I\'ll toss in my .02
As boring as it sounds I\'d work on building the strongest foundation I could. No offense, but if you can\'t move a pebble, don\'t expect to throw boulders. You need to build on your focus, your strength, and your ability.
If that truly is your goal, I\'d work on the following: mastering PK, shielding, telepathy, and construct/programming. Work with others to see if you really are producing the results you intend. Play psi-bal paintball or \"guess my construct\" games with other users. Once you have gained some understanding and control.. you\'ll have a greater understanding of what you need to focus on to achieve your goals. Research the effect you intend on producing. WHAT are you looking at? somthing like Jubbillee does? I\'d compare it to flaring a construct. Making something \"explode\"? be specific in your goal. WHAT to you want to produce? HOW will it look? HOW will it FEEL? that\'s the kind of programming you need for your energy. Energy in itself won\'t explode. ADD PK to it. Make it DO something. the more you practice with that, the closer you\'ll be...
...but DON\'T start off with \"I want to make things explode like gambit. How can I do that?\" Start with building your foundation and see where it takes you. Later on, once you\'ve experienced the frustrations of learning how to use psionic skills... revisit the question of how you can accomplish this. I know this sounds harsh, but I don\'t mean it that way: grow up a little and mature. Be patient in your practice. You are like a 7 year old waiting to drive your parents\' car. have patience, and the skills will come. You\'ll see what I\'m talking about one day.
god please forgive us for we know not what we talk about. when we think we are superior to all things on this planet is it possible we are only under the illusion and that everything is being silent looking at our awkward idiocy and laughing at it as adults do when children play like they are adults? can it be that in all of our expertise we are still so inferior to everything and thus we created the illusion of knowledge because we are afraid of being completely oblivious? for all we know what do we really know o god? do you exist? do we? what is this existence we speak? we stumble in the dark more and more and yet we \"know\"? what do we really know but that we know nothing and that in that nothing we are afraid?
ok. so to wolf. i say that if you wanna really learn something nothing will hold you back and no matter what anyone says you will find a way to do it if you are committed. with that said, obviously no one on this site knows any clue of how to do what you are talking about and in their fear of ignorance they play you down because if they don\'t know it it cannot exist. stranger things have happened than a bunch of people on the internet not know the answer to something. we are all human and thus all ignorant to soooo much. i will give you this word of advice, listen to yourself for no one can do you better than you and no one knows you better than you. so do your own thing find your own answers, if someone\'s answer sounds correct apply and see. test everything and don\'t take no for an answer.
to everyone else talking on here joking about explosions, speaking of splitting atoms, \"fluffing\" it up, dude the kid had a genuine question. even if you don\'t know the real answers at least use this space for something benefiting to to the kid. instead of tearing him down because he based his methods and efforts off of a cartoon. we all have at some point. and that says a lot about today\'s culture. that we don\'t have any heroes to actually base ourselves off of. no real people we can look up to in a way that makes us wanna be like them. i too base a lot of my psionics off of this character or that one. so what. lemme tell you something. everything has a basis off of reality, the myths we still take a part of, the folklore we all know, monks that we know nothing about but base our knowledge off of hearsay. it all is real if you believe it. this kid obviously believes in his gift we know nothing about, stranger things in this world have happened then a kid wanting to have a gift like a character. you know what he\'ll most likely get it and completely revolutionalize this would of psionics to something none \"fluff\" like. wouldn\'t that be amazing.
so wolf. just do you. if you really wanna pursue this do it whole heartedly and let NOTHING get in your way. i suggest looking up anything and everything on this site and more you can. and then apply what sounds good. don\'t ever give up and you just might get what your looking for
for goodness sake, can someone please lock this thread? if more people posted in different areas instead of this fluffly ass crap thread this site would be alot more helpful. thanks bye
when a man comes to another man thinking that it is possible to fly to the moon what does the other man say? is it a word of encouragement? no! man does not want to see anyone else succeed for if it isn\'t possible for one it\'s not possible for anyone. o when will the \"knowledge\" be lost? that is the only way for this world to become a better place. in the days of the samurai there were known monks who with a word could disarm an armed samurai charging at them. in today\'s world this is not considered possible, thank god for people keeping their mouths shut so that they aren\'t killed. people are afraid of what they don\'t understand, but what is understood? what is truly there and not regurgitated by someone else as a \"fact\"?
fact- Forget A Child Teaches
1. to all who are wondering what this has to do with anything previously stated. nothing. this goes just to the fact that this thread and this site serves as a place of pure freedom of speech in a non hateful, non threatening way and an expression of ideas, thoughts, skepticism and encouragement. as such i feel the overwhelming need to relate that a flower does not grow with fertalizer alone, but a combination of care, sunlight, water, air, and positive growth enviornments. this site is to plant the seed of psionics into the hearts of everyone out there, being a subject not everyone is readily versed in, well read in, or even comprehendant in, it\'s easy to see how many come to this site with little expectations and many \"fluff\" ideas. that is not really a problem considering that many out there believe that the impossible is impossible, and that a man was able to raise from the dead, heal many people, walk on water, feed a multitude with only a few components, and fly apparently. many things are believed in today\'s culture so why is it so wrong for a pure minded and hearted individual to come to a site looking for advice on a belief in the land of the free hoping for inspiration and a new outlook, hoping that help is out there for his mind to grasp achieve and perfect. no matter how \"outlandish\" something is, nothing is impossible. everything given time can and has the probability of happening whether by fluke, chance, skill or luck. so if blue lightening can happen and people can levitate then dammit i\'m sure gambit\'s gift is out there for this kid in some fashion way and possibilty.
2. i understand that this site is taken seriously by those well versed in science and psionics. that\'s cool, that\'s gravy. learn to read inbetween the lines. if you see a link or thread that says something to the affect of \"want to learn gambit like gift\" \"teleportation is possible right?\" \"new to this stuff and want to know if i can walk on water\", etc. as a skeptic if you click on this thread you are only doing it on a subconscious (and some not even that) level to tear asunder any belief and hope that one might have on finding out a question of genuine interest that has been haunting them. as such, just like telling a child that santa doesn\'t exist or that he was concieved by the stork dropping him down the chimney and then later telling the child that that was made up, the damage you do to the fragile hope that is so easily snuffed out with the most powerful instrument known to man, words, is devastating beyond compare. for people to read a post like this and tear into the original question askers soul basically like a bunch of jackals look for the last shred of meat, is far beyond messed up. i mean no disrespect when i say this, but what must have happened to you at whatever age that left it in your mind that if anyone believes in something that doesn\'t make sense to you or is not plausible with YOUR logic you must destroy every ounce of courage and hope they have. thank god for us \"fluffs\" that bring these completely genuine, articles of interest into these posts and threads because if it was not for us, than the true colors of the people we ask the information so readily given to us would probably lie dormant in waiting and never be vented on, and then where would we be but in a dillusion while you tear us apart from behind. as i am venting and feel that as you have so \"modestly\" stated all your problems with this thread and as i am not attacking anyone on this site but using my words and expressing a valid point and defending the honor of the original postee without any names said, thoughts of any harm, or discrediting anyone save for the general term \"skeptics\" though referring more to the broad closed minded skeptics out there that i\'m sure no one on this site is really a part of but of past experiences of this sort, i\'m sure i can express my view without getting kicked out as so many try to do when the truth is placed in front of them.
i express no hate nor dishonor when i say that if this world were the perfect place than people who try to tear down others for whatever benefit they see in it, would most likely be viewed as the existence they are, the parasites of a community that is pure and thus needs to be balanced with a counter measure thus making any excess depleted so that the community can stay in symbiosis with itself. and i\'m sure in this rant many are wondering just what i\'m talking about trying to pinpoint out of many points what they may speak upon and discredit, but there is no REAL point as already expressed, this is a spot to express my free view in a place of safety and understanding. if it is not understood than good, if it is better. but out of everything i have said if you need something to counteract and discuss i will sum it up to this one phrase:
if you don\'t have anything nice to say stfu
peace, harmony, and love to all on a spiritual path of growth and life lessons learned
and I\'d like to add that I\'ve seen a LOT more progress made in other groups where people worked together and pooled ideas and learning experiences instead of acting like comic book characters and talking about how \"anything\" is possible if we think that way... because it\'s time to wake up and improve this community to where we stop TALKING about what might be possible and start DOING. Discussing the possibility of \"blowing shit up with my mind\" is not getting anyone anywhere. it\'s wasting time that could otherwise be spent actually practicing real experiments.
theres nothing negative about this thread, its just old as hell and people need to cut the bullshit. hes already got 2 pages of good information, leave it at that. its just getting old when i log on to see replys to a thread ive posted in for more information, and instead i find like 8 new posts to this POS. so please metalforever or someone lock this already...
wolf you got everything you need. i think people kinda think this needs to end and i think you have enough good and bad to go off of. we wish you god speed and hope you at least achieve a few goals if not all that you are attempting in the quest of yourself and what you are capable of.
You have been attempting since 04/19/2009 to do something that takes nigh on 7 plus different skills all at an exemplary level even to have minor effects. If you would have had anything to speak of in way of results on the subject i would feel honored to bow at your feet. that would be an extreme amount of improvment from noobie to master of 7 plus abilities in that short amount of time. You should be patting yourself on the back for your efforts. I commend you for even attempting. granted you didnt get far in the idea but you probably came far in psionics since then.
To do such as you suggested you would have to be able to create many small energy balls (Psi balls) to attach to multiple different parts of the small light object your are attempting to manipulate. you would than make each into a construct with multiple commands: - gather psionics energy into this type of form, manipulate phisical structure, when impact release all energy, disapate, etc. than you would have to go to each ball and scan it to make sure it is doing its job. Using similar abilities make a contact point for you aperation to impact with and comand the contructs there to react with the constructs in your item. THAN you might be able to use Telekisensis to throw it into impact. Even than moving an unstable contruct can cause it to stay put or disapate. Hopefully all of this might cause a reaction but in the very most it would come out as a poof (not explosion) of only psyonic energy. so in the end it so far out their beyond anyones abilities in even a minor form of results and that means it IS just fluff.
I suggest a total disregard for the subject entirely. It would not be atainable at all. Keep practicing the psionic abilities you gaind from the experience though.
A few years ago on psipog, I posted a thread about the event that happened to me to get me started in psionics. My entry into psionics was a bit different than most people\'s. I don\'t care to share it again, heh, I learned my lesson about people and their reactions to things then. But, a lot has happened to me since, and for a few years, I quit practicing altogether. I almost let the people on psipog bury me with their doubt...almost. I\'m back now only to read, see how the community is doing, and give whatever advice I can.
Another thing, a few references were made to Sean and JoeT and such, as being great psions, and yet even they couldn\'t perform something like your suggesting. ...But don\'t let that stop you at all. They were great, and many of the people here are great too. Yet, we don\'t know everyone around the world...who knows, you could be capable of something like what you\'re suggesting.
This has nothing to do with psionics, and I\'m sorry, but the principle should explain itself...a couple years ago, I had a friend, who loved to fight. He got into trouble a lot over this. Well, he entered a tournament, an illegal street fighting tournament, having never been there before, having never fought anyone like the opponents he would be facing there. Funny thing is, this new guy, this friend of mine...broke an arm and a rib, upon leaving that place. He also beat everyone there, and won the thing. I remember seeing him in the hospital, and just staring at that arrogant grin on his face, even though he was in pain, and him telling me he had a \"good time.\" Heh, yea. They all of course, downplayed him while he was there, and of course everyone sneered and said he was gonna get ripped a new one, and yet, he stomped everyone. And did it with a grin on his face.
True story, sounds made up, I know. Whether it is or isn\'t is not the issue. The moral is, people ran their mouth and told him he couldn\'t, and yet, look what happened. Don\'t let anything stop you. We\'re capable of more than we give ourselves credit for.
And one more thing...should you ever achieve your goal, even something remotely close...message me, find me. Cause I\'ll be your guinea pig, as I am also in training, working on a technique, that most of you would consider proposterous. With that, good luck training.
it IS possible to do as you are wanting to do (use energy to manipulate matter so it creates a concusive blast that may be powerful enough to knock someone off their feet.) The thing is though it is very out of reach for someone to get to. the abilities you would need to attain to be able to even begin on the path to doing this take much longer than weeks or months to be able to perform even on a good level let alone the level that you would need to perform to do as you want to. I have studied in various forms of Psionics for some time now and I through experience suggest to focus on smaller goals first than to attempt at seeing where you stand with your longer term goals and you may be able to reach a level of ability that you will be able to train the technique you are looking to perform. I said what I said earlier in an effort to help to keep you from making the top of the mountain your goal because that would be an impossible short term goal. let us work on base camp and work from there. that should be your goal. of course your ultimate goal is the top of the mountain but you must make smaller more easily reachable goals to make it to your ultimate goal.
if there are further concerns on the subject let us talk about it. Wolf5597 and Martial Psion can we move this subject from this forum ... it has been marked by others as \"Fluff\" and so it is best to try to keep the forum moving. pm me if you wish to continue this topic.
Wolf (the original poster) I am glad to hear you want to continue learning for so many (to many) people are choosing to \"sit out\" because they don\'t get the result they are looking for immediately. I am also glad you make time to work on expanding your knowledge of mental abilities. thumbs up.
Auegamma I don\'t understand this two letter term you used 3-4 times in your post. what does it mean. I am still becoming familiar with modern terminology for the techniques I have been using and learning about for so long. could you please help with what the term you used is. my latin is decent but I don\'t remember an LD as an ability but I am sure I will feel stupid once you tell me what it stands for.
... Lucid Dream, a situation where You are dreaming but You are aware that You are in a dream and that You are able to control Your dream with Your will, wanna fly? bam! flyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiing, wanna win some game? bam! \"... and the winner is!...\", wanna do TK on Psi Wheel? bam! spinning, spinning, spinning...;
the mind does not see the diff. between visualization and the reality (skipping the semantical meaning here), by visualization we are able to get better at anything, olimpic sportsmen do it and win, and so can we by vis. TK practice improve our abilities at it;
I feel stupid cause lucid dreaming if done often enough to be an easily accessible activity is the easiest way to access a Psionic skill. I use it for Technopathy and Technokinesis as well as Tychokinesis and Clairsentience. any way thanx.
wolf you can pm me and I will give you a way to contact me and we can start training you in some things you will need to know to begin going where you want to go with Psionics. you have potential and not time so I can talk with you another way to get your training started with a few smaller parts of your bigger goal. if that is what you are looking for I will wait for your pm.
Auegamma thanx again for defining the abbreviation I didn\'t understand.
The problem starts with everyone wanted to become badass characters using Psionics to my opinion... The newcomers simply want (most of them at least) to beat someone or destroy things... To my opinion... That is not the Way... Or the Do as martial artists say...
I would really like to see someone who asks things that have to do with Peace and Self-Developement...
I apologize for my
I apologize for my unclarity. Allow me to rephrase my answer. No.
OK..
Can we maybe drop the DBZ fluff and get back to psionics? ..knocking someone back with a concussion-like blast from a psiball or related construct? Nuclear fisson? Seriously.
The practices you mentioned,
The practices you mentioned, such as telepathy, PK, etc are very much related to psionics and the experiments we all have done. Most (if not all) of us have experienced these on some level. Thus is the beginning of our experiments and discussions. Moving a pencil, spinning a psiwheel, sending and manipulation energy shields, constructs, etc. is one thing. Harnessing the ability to manipulate ANYTHING requires baby steps. The greatest weightlifters in the world don\'t begin with 300lb. bars. The greatest minds in the world don\'t begin at MIT. If we begin looking at psionics in such an a$$backward way so that we are focusing on HARYUUKIN! blasts instead of the fundamental basics, it\'s akin to building a house from the attic down. We need to be mindful of the future and what is possible while remaining grounded in the present or we will go NOWHERE. our research will be for nil.
My comments have not been troll-ish in nature. I never stated psionics was a farce, NOR did I say these things are impossible. Concussive blasts and the like, however... we aren\'t anywhere near discussing it. It\'s a waste of time. The ONLY individuals I\'d even put close to that haven\'t been able to pull it off, and I\'m thinking people like JoeT or Peebrain... if anyone even remembers them. We\'ve had some very talented individuals working in this field and I\'m hoping we could keep at least a similar standard as it\'s been in the past. There are some very good discussions here and I feel embarassed that people perusing that aren\'t familiar with psionics might see this kind of thing. Not only is it not even remotely proveable at the moment, it makes us look like roleplayers instead of scientists.
wolf5597: \"If so many other applications of psionics are possible such as telepethy, telekinesis, and so on. Why is it this is one in paticular is not? Energy is energy no matter how you define it. If you one can successfully harness ones energy, I believe, you can use it to manipulate the energy of objects. So if you are only here to troll and not add any usefull ideas to the discussion then get out.\"
Good Question.
Is Psi Physical? well.. In my opinion, I\'d tend to describe it as something at a quantum level.. particles that make up physical objects... that are influenced by thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
These particles make up everything around us, and are affected by us.. it\'s all the same energy. Through the study and use of psionics we are just learning and realizing how to manipulate this energy to recreate the world around us; to alter the way we interact with \"things\". I think that the foundation of this includes the basic practices we all study: empathy, telepathy, PK, RV, etc.. and from there we open the door to HOW this energy works so we can apply it.
For me personally, I think it\'s gotten past the physical manipulations: let\'s use an example.. let\'s say I want to influence a psiwheel. instead of focusing on the physical movement, I focus on the final FEELING I get once I achieve my goal. How exactly do I feel? I\'ve found that by focusing on the effect and not the cause.. the what instead of the HOW... I get better, more predictable results.
If you look at weather manipulation.. years ago I used to focus on the clouds, or the feeling of the wind. My results were at about 50% success rate, if that. Now I focus on that final feeling, skipping entirely the HOW. I\'d say I have at least a 80% success rate. I\'m still experimenting. Try reading Rhonda Byrne\'s \"the secret\" or watching the same titled movie. I\'d also recommend Michael Talbot\'s \"Holigraphic Universe\" and Anything by James Arthur Ray (Harmonic Wealth, the Science of success). Although I did find this information on my own, I have noticed that Sean (Peebrain from PsiPog) also mentions similar material and ideas on the new blog (alittleweird.com). So I know I can\'t entirely be on the wrong page.
What I\'ve found seems to work for me and has increased my successes. I can only share my thoughts and experiences.. I\'ve found that by applying these principles to my psionic practice I have learned so much about this thing we call psi.. and how I use this material to interact with my environment in positive ways.
Instead of focusing on
Instead of focusing on Gambit\'s abilities.. why not focus on shielding so that it\'s not even necessary to create an explosion? (not to mention that there\'s no physical say to make an object explode in the manner you describe, atom splitting or not). Moving an object is one thing.. focus on that.
But you\'re not. you\'re focusing on fluff. You don\'t want to move something, you want to be a comic book character. Sure it\'s a cool ability. I love Gambit.. but I don\'t expect to recreate the ability using psionics. SOME laws of physics aren\'t easily broken. You can\'t make an explosion out of nothing... energy or not. Energy doesn\'t explode. Matter explodes... under very specific circumstances.
Baby steps, yes.. REALISTIC baby steps. When you can spin a psiwheel under glass.. spin a pencil without touching it, move garbage cans.. once you have the ability to move heavier objects, THEN revisit this topic. It\'s pointless to ask HOW it\'s going to work if you\'re nowhere near the start.
It\'s like learning to tie
It\'s like learning to tie your shoes- when you have velcro shoes.
Might as well say, \"I can teach you how to write a letter. All you need to know are the letters A, C, and F and the number 6.\"
You are starting at the attic, with your eyes on the stars.
Most of us are working on using psi in realistic ways.. USABLE ways. Ways we can take baby steps and see results so that we have the motivation to move on.
I stand by my statement: blowing shit up with your mind? FLUFF. Even if you could, you\'d still have to at least be able to move something using PK. ENERGY ALONE DOESN\'T EXPLODE.
yeah energy doesnt explode.
yeah energy doesnt explode. those blasts you see in tv are basically giant sledgehammers made of energy used to crush/disentegrate the hell out of their opponent. i wish some of these topics had a good 2 page conversation like this shitty one. might be able to learn some more stuff...
Energy just IS. it\'s here,
Energy just IS. it\'s here, it\'s there, we can move it, focus it, compress it.. but ENERGY doesn\'t explode. If you put a lot of energy into one small area.. you have a small area with a lot of energy in it. that\'s it. it\'s not going to explode. it\'s not going to push you without PK involved. it won\'t do ANYthing by itself. manipulating energy alone without any other practices is kind of like drawing in the sand with a stick. you can move it, but you have to be able to DO something with it. you need some kind of force, some kind of physical movement to create something like that...
IF you are intent on really
IF you are intent on really furthering yourself in this field... I\'ll toss in my .02
As boring as it sounds I\'d work on building the strongest foundation I could. No offense, but if you can\'t move a pebble, don\'t expect to throw boulders. You need to build on your focus, your strength, and your ability.
If that truly is your goal, I\'d work on the following: mastering PK, shielding, telepathy, and construct/programming. Work with others to see if you really are producing the results you intend. Play psi-bal paintball or \"guess my construct\" games with other users. Once you have gained some understanding and control.. you\'ll have a greater understanding of what you need to focus on to achieve your goals. Research the effect you intend on producing. WHAT are you looking at? somthing like Jubbillee does? I\'d compare it to flaring a construct. Making something \"explode\"? be specific in your goal. WHAT to you want to produce? HOW will it look? HOW will it FEEL? that\'s the kind of programming you need for your energy. Energy in itself won\'t explode. ADD PK to it. Make it DO something. the more you practice with that, the closer you\'ll be...
...but DON\'T start off with \"I want to make things explode like gambit. How can I do that?\" Start with building your foundation and see where it takes you. Later on, once you\'ve experienced the frustrations of learning how to use psionic skills... revisit the question of how you can accomplish this. I know this sounds harsh, but I don\'t mean it that way: grow up a little and mature. Be patient in your practice. You are like a 7 year old waiting to drive your parents\' car. have patience, and the skills will come. You\'ll see what I\'m talking about one day.
Hope this helps.
Kenshi
oy!
god please forgive us for we know not what we talk about. when we think we are superior to all things on this planet is it possible we are only under the illusion and that everything is being silent looking at our awkward idiocy and laughing at it as adults do when children play like they are adults? can it be that in all of our expertise we are still so inferior to everything and thus we created the illusion of knowledge because we are afraid of being completely oblivious? for all we know what do we really know o god? do you exist? do we? what is this existence we speak? we stumble in the dark more and more and yet we \"know\"? what do we really know but that we know nothing and that in that nothing we are afraid?
ok. so to wolf. i say that if you wanna really learn something nothing will hold you back and no matter what anyone says you will find a way to do it if you are committed. with that said, obviously no one on this site knows any clue of how to do what you are talking about and in their fear of ignorance they play you down because if they don\'t know it it cannot exist. stranger things have happened than a bunch of people on the internet not know the answer to something. we are all human and thus all ignorant to soooo much. i will give you this word of advice, listen to yourself for no one can do you better than you and no one knows you better than you. so do your own thing find your own answers, if someone\'s answer sounds correct apply and see. test everything and don\'t take no for an answer.
to everyone else talking on here joking about explosions, speaking of splitting atoms, \"fluffing\" it up, dude the kid had a genuine question. even if you don\'t know the real answers at least use this space for something benefiting to to the kid. instead of tearing him down because he based his methods and efforts off of a cartoon. we all have at some point. and that says a lot about today\'s culture. that we don\'t have any heroes to actually base ourselves off of. no real people we can look up to in a way that makes us wanna be like them. i too base a lot of my psionics off of this character or that one. so what. lemme tell you something. everything has a basis off of reality, the myths we still take a part of, the folklore we all know, monks that we know nothing about but base our knowledge off of hearsay. it all is real if you believe it. this kid obviously believes in his gift we know nothing about, stranger things in this world have happened then a kid wanting to have a gift like a character. you know what he\'ll most likely get it and completely revolutionalize this would of psionics to something none \"fluff\" like. wouldn\'t that be amazing.
so wolf. just do you. if you really wanna pursue this do it whole heartedly and let NOTHING get in your way. i suggest looking up anything and everything on this site and more you can. and then apply what sounds good. don\'t ever give up and you just might get what your looking for
peace everyone
and only respect with what i\'ve said
for goodness sake, can
for goodness sake, can someone please lock this thread? if more people posted in different areas instead of this fluffly ass crap thread this site would be alot more helpful. thanks bye
wow... lol once more i must say
when a man comes to another man thinking that it is possible to fly to the moon what does the other man say? is it a word of encouragement? no! man does not want to see anyone else succeed for if it isn\'t possible for one it\'s not possible for anyone. o when will the \"knowledge\" be lost? that is the only way for this world to become a better place. in the days of the samurai there were known monks who with a word could disarm an armed samurai charging at them. in today\'s world this is not considered possible, thank god for people keeping their mouths shut so that they aren\'t killed. people are afraid of what they don\'t understand, but what is understood? what is truly there and not regurgitated by someone else as a \"fact\"?
fact- Forget A Child Teaches
1. to all who are wondering what this has to do with anything previously stated. nothing. this goes just to the fact that this thread and this site serves as a place of pure freedom of speech in a non hateful, non threatening way and an expression of ideas, thoughts, skepticism and encouragement. as such i feel the overwhelming need to relate that a flower does not grow with fertalizer alone, but a combination of care, sunlight, water, air, and positive growth enviornments. this site is to plant the seed of psionics into the hearts of everyone out there, being a subject not everyone is readily versed in, well read in, or even comprehendant in, it\'s easy to see how many come to this site with little expectations and many \"fluff\" ideas. that is not really a problem considering that many out there believe that the impossible is impossible, and that a man was able to raise from the dead, heal many people, walk on water, feed a multitude with only a few components, and fly apparently. many things are believed in today\'s culture so why is it so wrong for a pure minded and hearted individual to come to a site looking for advice on a belief in the land of the free hoping for inspiration and a new outlook, hoping that help is out there for his mind to grasp achieve and perfect. no matter how \"outlandish\" something is, nothing is impossible. everything given time can and has the probability of happening whether by fluke, chance, skill or luck. so if blue lightening can happen and people can levitate then dammit i\'m sure gambit\'s gift is out there for this kid in some fashion way and possibilty.
2. i understand that this site is taken seriously by those well versed in science and psionics. that\'s cool, that\'s gravy. learn to read inbetween the lines. if you see a link or thread that says something to the affect of \"want to learn gambit like gift\" \"teleportation is possible right?\" \"new to this stuff and want to know if i can walk on water\", etc. as a skeptic if you click on this thread you are only doing it on a subconscious (and some not even that) level to tear asunder any belief and hope that one might have on finding out a question of genuine interest that has been haunting them. as such, just like telling a child that santa doesn\'t exist or that he was concieved by the stork dropping him down the chimney and then later telling the child that that was made up, the damage you do to the fragile hope that is so easily snuffed out with the most powerful instrument known to man, words, is devastating beyond compare. for people to read a post like this and tear into the original question askers soul basically like a bunch of jackals look for the last shred of meat, is far beyond messed up. i mean no disrespect when i say this, but what must have happened to you at whatever age that left it in your mind that if anyone believes in something that doesn\'t make sense to you or is not plausible with YOUR logic you must destroy every ounce of courage and hope they have. thank god for us \"fluffs\" that bring these completely genuine, articles of interest into these posts and threads because if it was not for us, than the true colors of the people we ask the information so readily given to us would probably lie dormant in waiting and never be vented on, and then where would we be but in a dillusion while you tear us apart from behind. as i am venting and feel that as you have so \"modestly\" stated all your problems with this thread and as i am not attacking anyone on this site but using my words and expressing a valid point and defending the honor of the original postee without any names said, thoughts of any harm, or discrediting anyone save for the general term \"skeptics\" though referring more to the broad closed minded skeptics out there that i\'m sure no one on this site is really a part of but of past experiences of this sort, i\'m sure i can express my view without getting kicked out as so many try to do when the truth is placed in front of them.
i express no hate nor dishonor when i say that if this world were the perfect place than people who try to tear down others for whatever benefit they see in it, would most likely be viewed as the existence they are, the parasites of a community that is pure and thus needs to be balanced with a counter measure thus making any excess depleted so that the community can stay in symbiosis with itself. and i\'m sure in this rant many are wondering just what i\'m talking about trying to pinpoint out of many points what they may speak upon and discredit, but there is no REAL point as already expressed, this is a spot to express my free view in a place of safety and understanding. if it is not understood than good, if it is better. but out of everything i have said if you need something to counteract and discuss i will sum it up to this one phrase:
if you don\'t have anything nice to say stfu
peace, harmony, and love to all on a spiritual path of growth and life lessons learned
4gottensage
 lol agreed
lol agreed
I agree with Lucidess.
and I\'d like to add that I\'ve seen a LOT more progress made in other groups where people worked together and pooled ideas and learning experiences instead of acting like comic book characters and talking about how \"anything\" is possible if we think that way... because it\'s time to wake up and improve this community to where we stop TALKING about what might be possible and start DOING. Discussing the possibility of \"blowing shit up with my mind\" is not getting anyone anywhere. it\'s wasting time that could otherwise be spent actually practicing real experiments.
theres nothing negative
theres nothing negative about this thread, its just old as hell and people need to cut the bullshit. hes already got 2 pages of good information, leave it at that. its just getting old when i log on to see replys to a thread ive posted in for more information, and instead i find like 8 new posts to this POS. so please metalforever or someone lock this already...
wow this has gone on for a while :P
wolf you got everything you need. i think people kinda think this needs to end and i think you have enough good and bad to go off of. we wish you god speed and hope you at least achieve a few goals if not all that you are attempting in the quest of yourself and what you are capable of.
peace and best wishes,
4gottensage
You are doing well for age in Psionics... GOOD JOB!
You have been attempting since 04/19/2009 to do something that takes nigh on 7 plus different skills all at an exemplary level even to have minor effects. If you would have had anything to speak of in way of results on the subject i would feel honored to bow at your feet. that would be an extreme amount of improvment from noobie to master of 7 plus abilities in that short amount of time. You should be patting yourself on the back for your efforts. I commend you for even attempting. granted you didnt get far in the idea but you probably came far in psionics since then.
To do such as you suggested you would have to be able to create many small energy balls (Psi balls) to attach to multiple different parts of the small light object your are attempting to manipulate. you would than make each into a construct with multiple commands: - gather psionics energy into this type of form, manipulate phisical structure, when impact release all energy, disapate, etc. than you would have to go to each ball and scan it to make sure it is doing its job. Using similar abilities make a contact point for you aperation to impact with and comand the contructs there to react with the constructs in your item. THAN you might be able to use Telekisensis to throw it into impact. Even than moving an unstable contruct can cause it to stay put or disapate. Hopefully all of this might cause a reaction but in the very most it would come out as a poof (not explosion) of only psyonic energy. so in the end it so far out their beyond anyones abilities in even a minor form of results and that means it IS just fluff.
I suggest a total disregard for the subject entirely. It would not be atainable at all. Keep practicing the psionic abilities you gaind from the experience though.
good luck.
Wow, long thread, and I read most of it =P
Wolf, just want to say, good luck.
A few years ago on psipog, I posted a thread about the event that happened to me to get me started in psionics. My entry into psionics was a bit different than most people\'s. I don\'t care to share it again, heh, I learned my lesson about people and their reactions to things then. But, a lot has happened to me since, and for a few years, I quit practicing altogether. I almost let the people on psipog bury me with their doubt...almost. I\'m back now only to read, see how the community is doing, and give whatever advice I can.
Another thing, a few references were made to Sean and JoeT and such, as being great psions, and yet even they couldn\'t perform something like your suggesting. ...But don\'t let that stop you at all. They were great, and many of the people here are great too. Yet, we don\'t know everyone around the world...who knows, you could be capable of something like what you\'re suggesting.
This has nothing to do with psionics, and I\'m sorry, but the principle should explain itself...a couple years ago, I had a friend, who loved to fight. He got into trouble a lot over this. Well, he entered a tournament, an illegal street fighting tournament, having never been there before, having never fought anyone like the opponents he would be facing there. Funny thing is, this new guy, this friend of mine...broke an arm and a rib, upon leaving that place. He also beat everyone there, and won the thing. I remember seeing him in the hospital, and just staring at that arrogant grin on his face, even though he was in pain, and him telling me he had a \"good time.\" Heh, yea. They all of course, downplayed him while he was there, and of course everyone sneered and said he was gonna get ripped a new one, and yet, he stomped everyone. And did it with a grin on his face.
True story, sounds made up, I know. Whether it is or isn\'t is not the issue. The moral is, people ran their mouth and told him he couldn\'t, and yet, look what happened. Don\'t let anything stop you. We\'re capable of more than we give ourselves credit for.
And one more thing...should you ever achieve your goal, even something remotely close...message me, find me. Cause I\'ll be your guinea pig, as I am also in training, working on a technique, that most of you would consider proposterous. With that, good luck training.
I do not consider ideas preposterous... I will explain
it IS possible to do as you are wanting to do (use energy to manipulate matter so it creates a concusive blast that may be powerful enough to knock someone off their feet.) The thing is though it is very out of reach for someone to get to. the abilities you would need to attain to be able to even begin on the path to doing this take much longer than weeks or months to be able to perform even on a good level let alone the level that you would need to perform to do as you want to. I have studied in various forms of Psionics for some time now and I through experience suggest to focus on smaller goals first than to attempt at seeing where you stand with your longer term goals and you may be able to reach a level of ability that you will be able to train the technique you are looking to perform. I said what I said earlier in an effort to help to keep you from making the top of the mountain your goal because that would be an impossible short term goal. let us work on base camp and work from there. that should be your goal. of course your ultimate goal is the top of the mountain but you must make smaller more easily reachable goals to make it to your ultimate goal.
if there are further concerns on the subject let us talk about it. Wolf5597 and Martial Psion can we move this subject from this forum ... it has been marked by others as \"Fluff\" and so it is best to try to keep the forum moving. pm me if you wish to continue this topic.
how to?
learn LD and practice energy manipulation during the LD period, learning LD is quite easy and does not require as much focuse as energy work practice;
if You know the tips and the tricks of the trade, life becomes whole lot easier;
Auegamma
You say LD and that is a little foreign...
Wolf (the original poster) I am glad to hear you want to continue learning for so many (to many) people are choosing to \"sit out\" because they don\'t get the result they are looking for immediately. I am also glad you make time to work on expanding your knowledge of mental abilities. thumbs up.
Auegamma I don\'t understand this two letter term you used 3-4 times in your post. what does it mean. I am still becoming familiar with modern terminology for the techniques I have been using and learning about for so long. could you please help with what the term you used is. my latin is decent but I don\'t remember an LD as an ability but I am sure I will feel stupid once you tell me what it stands for.
LD stands for...
... Lucid Dream, a situation where You are dreaming but You are aware that You are in a dream and that You are able to control Your dream with Your will, wanna fly? bam! flyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiing, wanna win some game? bam! \"... and the winner is!...\", wanna do TK on Psi Wheel? bam! spinning, spinning, spinning...;
the mind does not see the diff. between visualization and the reality (skipping the semantical meaning here), by visualization we are able to get better at anything, olimpic sportsmen do it and win, and so can we by vis. TK practice improve our abilities at it;
Auegamma
well Auegamma I was right I feel stupid.
I feel stupid cause lucid dreaming if done often enough to be an easily accessible activity is the easiest way to access a Psionic skill. I use it for Technopathy and Technokinesis as well as Tychokinesis and Clairsentience. any way thanx.
wolf you can pm me and I will give you a way to contact me and we can start training you in some things you will need to know to begin going where you want to go with Psionics. you have potential and not time so I can talk with you another way to get your training started with a few smaller parts of your bigger goal. if that is what you are looking for I will wait for your pm.
Auegamma thanx again for defining the abbreviation I didn\'t understand.
Re: If by \\
The problem starts with everyone wanted to become badass characters using Psionics to my opinion... The newcomers simply want (most of them at least) to beat someone or destroy things... To my opinion... That is not the Way... Or the Do as martial artists say...
I would really like to see someone who asks things that have to do with Peace and Self-Developement...
Cobalt.
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