Advanced Psychokinesis:

Taking Research A Little Further (Class Three)

November 12th, 2007- Hosted By: Metalforever

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[21:43] this class is being logged, and may( probably will) be edited for readability
[21:43] yeah. anyway.
[21:43] doing good all?
[21:43] sure.
[21:44] Ye Laughing out loud
[21:44] Yourself?
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[21:44] hello
[21:44] good good.
[21:44] how are you tonight, eldanen?
[21:44] I’m well.
[21:44] You?
[21:45] good good
[21:45] tonight we are continuing research done on our hypothesis
[21:45] first of all, what was it?
[21:45] for the people that were here
[21:46] Practice big things = good on small thigns
[21:46] Laughing out loud
[21:46] anyone with anything more detailed
[21:46] ?
[21:47] Sliding or rolling something bigger or consider more difficult will allow yourself to move smaller or consider less difficult. Sort of like weight lifting.
[21:47] the basic idea was to practice moving something big that you don’t think you’d normally be able to move in order to increase your ability to move small things (like the pinwheel)
[21:47] alright, great job, all.
[21:47] What were we assigned for homework?
[21:48] to test that hypothesis
[21:48] alright.
[21:48] homework was to record the results and test the hypothesis
[21:48] who did it?
[21:48] I did
[21:49] i did, sorta. didn’t record a whole lot
[21:49] anyone else?
[21:49] I did… kinda ( i only recorded a lil bit)
[21:49] i did the acual assignment
[21:49] just… lack of recording skillz ;(
[21:49] pretty good job overall
[21:49] hm
[21:49] well, what have you all found, by testing the hypothesis, generally.
[21:49] be detailed.
[21:50] I didn’t experience any noticable results. I think I’d have to test/record for several weeks to get any results (or lack thereof)
[21:51] after practicing on a large heavy pot for ten minutes, moving foil and paper around was much much easier: usually i can only spin foil but now i can Slide[21:51] fair enough, enki
[21:51] everyone else?
[21:51] thats great.
[21:51] Generaly? It does work… in a small amount (could have just been coincidence, or the fact that ‘I believed it would work’) it improved. Would wana practice this more to be sure tho Eye-wink
[21:51] alright.
[21:51] well it seems to be the cumulative vote that this hypothesis needs more testing.
[21:52] so we are going to build on it.
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[21:52] Id like to make note that this will probably end up published, with your names on it.
[21:52] Sorry, metal, I didn’t do the assignment…Don’t have all the time on my hands to practice psi.
[21:52] (oh boy, thanks apollo for the bot)
[21:52] no big deal nev, i understand
[21:52] [21:51:38] Generaly? It does work… in a small amount (could have just been coincidence, or the fact that ‘I believed it would work’) it improved. Would wana practice this more to be sure tho Eye-wink — who cares if its you only thinking that.
[21:52] It worked.
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[21:53] Vulcanis, don’t get ahead of yourself. That’s only one result.
[21:53] Nev: I was answering his question
[21:53] if it was that, why should it matter?
[21:53] Oh, okay.
[21:53] results are results
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[21:53] alright, yes.
[21:54] [21:52] Id like to make note that this will probably end up published, with your names on it.
[21:54] eventually, of course, thats why i asked for the homework
[21:55] any ideas for how we should eventually lead up to presenting this information, whether there is a negative correlation between success and using larger objects first, no correlation at all, or a positive correlation
[21:55] thats why i asked for statistical information and analysis
[21:55] now, everyone get a piece of paper and a pencil
[21:56] okie dokie
[21:56] kk brb
[21:56] I don’t want my name. mostly because I won’t do much work, and also, last time something like this was done, people bombarded me with questions
[21:56] alright, well you can choose to remain anonymous, thats no problem with me
[21:57] tell me when yall have a pencil.
[21:57] * EnKi does
[21:57] done
[21:58] depends on what its for
[21:58] well, you dont have to contribute, although i think it would be nice
[21:58] bk
[21:58] [21:55] any ideas for how we should eventually lead up to presenting this information, whether there is a negative correlation between success and using larger objects first, no correlation at all, or a positive correlation
[21:58] 5 minutes. As well as your thoughts regarding the experiment.
[21:58] I plan on it, but if its for writing, why not just type it. if its for doing something else, I’ll grab them
[21:59] typing is fine, i just have a preference for using handwriting when its permanent.
[21:59] yuh.
[22:03] for that, i think you’d need to do a prolonged Control test. meaning, get a group of people to practice the pinwheel regularly for a set period of time (weeks or whatever), and then get them to practice on a large object for the same period of time. after that, get them to try the pinwheel again, and see what’s changed, if anything. not everybody will have the same results.
[22:03] for some people, maybe nothing changed. for others, maybe it had a positive effect or negative effect.
[22:03] just report what’s there. if there’s still nothing conclusive, tweak the method a little and try again.
[22:03] Uh
[22:03] no
[22:03] you’d have to have one group doing only pinwheel
[22:03] the others doing larger object then pinwheel
[22:03] switching between the two is still practice from spinning it first
[22:04] Well, I have an idea, but it would only work with someone that can slideroll something.
[22:04] hm
[22:05] not so sure neveza.
[22:05] whats the idea?
[22:05] tell us anyway, nev
[22:05] enki, explain your idea briefly to these guys
[22:05] i just did
[22:06] i’m not so good at coming up with these kinds of ideas
[22:06] Well, this is what I did when I tried to get back into Psychokinesis again. I took a ruler and made inch spaces. I would put objects on the lines and see how far I can slide it. Well, use that concept and start having people do tests and record how far an object moved. Then try a difficult object. Record that. Do the same, less difficult object. Record it. Then keep switching. Something like that.
[22:07] ive done that with spinning objects
[22:07] that sounds interesting
[22:08] well, i agree with what Enki and neveza are tying to say here
[22:09] so…., are we really actually going to do this?
[22:09] or are we going to pretend we did it and/or not do it at all
[22:09] be honest here.
[22:09] I will
[22:09] do which?
[22:09] I don’t know, metal, I don’t have all the time on my hands.
[22:10] and, what period of time are we talking about?
[22:10] alright how about this
[22:10] you guys can vote yay or nay
[22:10] what
[22:11] are we doing?
[22:11] voting.
[22:11] wait until i type it.
[22:11] sry Eye-wink
[22:13] this is going to be a paragraph
[22:13] or 2
[22:14] Eye-wink
[22:14] Or she pinged out.
[22:14] that’s possible too
[22:14] ha
[22:14] Oh, the possiblities!
[22:15] Instead of doing this with so many unknown variables affecting the results (thus making them useless), lets do a controlled experiment. How do we do this you say? The experiment obviously has its hypothesis, so we need a control, which can be doing the psiwheel first everyday for lets say……. 20 minutes. Then we take and we practice 20 more minutes, instead, using a much heavier object, in this case, a
[22:15] schoolbook/hardcover textbook. Next, after practicing with the textbook, we go back to the first object…… after taking a break, and see if it moves fasterWe take a ruler ( or a fake paper one that you made),
[22:15] and record how much each thing moves everytime.
[22:15] sound good.
[22:15] ?
[22:15] yay or nay.
[22:15] aha i was right!
[22:16] YAY!
[22:16] Yay, except im unsure how to record psiwheel movements
[22:16] Eye-wink
[22:16] I guess…I mean, we could use my idea to gauge it. Jordan742, how many time it spinned and for how long, how fast.
[22:16] I say yes, but metal, its not controlled
[22:17] because its a skill that can be improved by repitition
[22:17] so doing the wheel first, could have improved it
[22:17] Don’t call it a control.
[22:17] Personally, we need a beginner and a vacuum chamber…but I think that’s out of our budget.
[22:17] alright.
[22:17] Metal: You’d have one group not using heavy things
[22:17] at all.
[22:18] except
[22:18] everyone advances at PK differently
[22:18] Its not worth trying for this experiment.
[22:18] i dont see the logic, we are trying to see if people improved by using a larger object
[22:18] Jordan: You take the average
[22:18] you mean for this to be done every day until next class? or longer?
[22:18] Yes metal
[22:18] the control would be where there is no heavy object. at all.
[22:18] All I’m saying
[22:18] Well, let’s just use it as experimental results.
[22:18] is don’t call something a control that won’t be
[22:19] i see Vulcanis’ point, but I don’t think we have enough people to do that
[22:19] Enki: I wasn’t saying we should. If this is going to be put somewhere, though, you need to get the terms right
[22:19] oh, i get it
[22:19] anyway
[22:20] alright, vulcanis.
[22:20] metal, just for a week?
[22:20] nothing right now..
[22:22] a control would be just pinwheels for 30 minutes. the experiment would be 10 pin, 10 book, 10 pin, or something.
[22:22] then we can all vote yay/nay to each idea
[22:22] .
[22:22] Really, I don’t think we have enough people for a decent experiment. >_>
[22:23] However, if we were to create one. We need a group just doing Pin-wheels. A group doing a switch and see. And maybe a group where they just focus on heavy, then see what happens in the end of the experiment.
[22:24] Alright. Here, listen. We are testing if trying on a heavy object effects the ability to move smaller ones, right?
[22:24] So the way to control that experiment, is to run one that does not have that variable.
[22:24] yes.
[22:24] but you would need to run them alongside, so that practice from one, does not effect results later
[22:25] yeah, 2 separate groups
[22:25] alright.
[22:25] so how do we do this.
[22:25] in detail.
[22:25] a control would be just pinwheels for 30 minutes. the experiment would be 10 pin, 10 book, 10 pin, or something.
[22:26] well, i like vulc’s idea, and i also like nev’s idea.
[22:26] Add another 30 of just heavy, for nevs
[22:26] EnKi, well, vulcanis’s idea would be nearly like mine in concept.
[22:26] i know
[22:27] But*
[22:27] i see a problem
[22:27] Hm?
[22:27] were all at different skill levels… so that way wouldnt truly be controled either…
[22:28] Jordan742, well, that’s why we look at this in statistics.
[22:28] If there is an increase generally, then it’s probable that this is true.
[22:28] you’d just have to try and make each group roughly equal by averages
[22:28] you’d average the improvement
[22:28] kk
[22:29] lol. somebody needs to invent a psi meter.
[22:29] its not probable that its true, its probable that there was a general positive correlation
[22:29] so have we agreed on something?
[22:29] i like it
[22:29] Metal, well, I was trying to say that…
[22:29] Yeah, I agree.
[22:30] i guess
[22:30] agree
[22:35] Alright, im going to leave this one with vulcanis
[22:36] i have some work i have to attend to
[22:36] * Vulc|Bleh grabs the shotgun
[22:36] *** Vulc|Bleh is now known as Vulcanis.
[22:36] `op Vulcanis
[22:36] [Notice] -ChanServ- Opped Vulcanis on #psionicsonline_pk.
[22:36] *** ChanServ gives channel operator privileges to Vulcanis.
[22:36] see yall.
[22:37] *** You are now known as metalforever_not.
[22:37] So
[22:37] Who brought the keg?
[22:38] There is no keg? Why am I here then? Sad
[22:38] 1 group does pinwheels for 30 mins, 1 does heavy, a 3rd group starts with pinwheels and switches to heavy, etc. everything recorded. and yeah
[22:40] Nah, see…
[22:41] I don’t think a control would work with this group, and nor do you, or nev. That was the theoretical thing.
[22:41] We ARE NOT doing a controled experiment
[22:41] well no because we’d need way more people
[22:41] Yes.
[22:42] How long is everyone here willing to practice.
[22:42] Nev: You’re fine
[22:42] you mean per session?
[22:42] Never. D:
[22:43] half an hour-1:130 hour a day
[22:43] poss more, if i dont have a headache Eye-wink
[22:43] it’s sort of random for me. anywhere from 10 to 60 minutes at a time. or until my head gets tired, which usually happens long before it’s been 60 minutes
[22:44] Ok guys, lets say… 30 minutes a day.
[22:44] 10 of just a pinwheel
[22:44] 10 of a heavier object
[22:44] and 10 again of the pinwheel
[22:44] record improvement from the before, to the after
[22:44] ok Smiling
[22:45] im doing that right now Smiling
[22:45] ill video tape it too just in case i forget the results
[22:46] the recording isn’t needed, no, but if you want, you can use it
[22:46] i like to record everything
[22:46] hey
[22:47] so basicaly, break out the timers? Laughing out loud
[22:48] just look at a clock
[22:48] Yeah
[22:48] Eh
[22:48] clock works
[22:48] these aren’t set guidelines
[22:48] you can do more, or less
[22:48] though 10mins is probably the minimum to get real results
[22:48] alright cool
[22:49] alright, any questions?
[22:49] yes
[22:49] how does one measure the amount a pinwheel moves?
[22:50] like…semi-accurately
[22:50] at least
[22:50] brb
[22:51] [22:50:00] how does one measure the amount a pinwheel moves? — its hard to. there are 4 ‘fins’, right?
[22:51] mark one with a sharpie
[22:51] like measure how far it goes in one Non stop movement
[22:51] then count the revolutions that way
[22:52] each time that passes, is one revolution
[22:52] thats what i do too
[22:52] This is why I personally rather pendulums, but it doesn’t really make a difference
[22:52] Speed would be another consideration, too, when it comes to pinwheels
[22:52] but when I say 10 pinwheel 10 heavy 10 pinwheel, don’t stick to that
[22:53] you could do 10 sliding pen 10 heavy 10 sliding pen.
[22:53] 10 pendulum 10 heavy 10 pendulum.
[22:53] etc.
[22:53] those numbers, too, are flexible. they just need to be the same
[22:53] the pinwheel is the only thing i’ve managed to move, so i’ll stick with that on this experiment
[22:53] 20/20/20, 7/7/7, 15/15/15. anything.
[22:54] Just when you do feel fatigued or get a headache, stop. rest.
[22:54] ill try the sliding next to a rulere
[22:54] try again tomorrow. But don’t push yourself
[22:54] a weeks worth of burnout isn’t fun
[22:55] no it isn’t
[22:55] speaking of which
[22:55] all burnout is, in most cases, is your unconscious blocking you from doing stuff to prevent harm
[22:56] you _can_ harm yourself if you do this to excess. Its just not likely. And even if you do, your unconscious tends to step in
[22:56] i had a 2-week burnout once. but i did spend 5 hours non-stop spinning the psiwheel.
[22:57] mmhmm. not fun.
[22:59] oh, should we take a break in between? like so pinwheel, take a break, do heavy, etc..? and for how long?
[22:59] do*
[22:59] bk
[23:00] Enki: It should be fine, but you can break for however long you feel is good between them
[23:00] 5 mins is probably fine
[23:00] ok
[23:00] well, i think it’s time for Meditation then maybe bed
[23:00] see ya
[23:02] this experiment is for improvment.
[23:03] and possible ways to get better more efficiently
[23:03] *** You are now known as metalforever.
[23:03] I feel pretty useless atm… i need to get on a regular practice schedule like i used to Eye-wink
[23:03] yep
[23:03] damn. i didnt do schedules with this group, did i?
[23:03] shit ok.
[23:03] I relearn somthing… then dont practice for a couple days… and forget it lol
[23:03] 30 minutes a day. 22+ days. It will become a habit.
[23:03] so what did vulcanis teach us?
[23:04] Metal: Most of them are afk or left. Its late.
[23:04] 10/10/10 small/heavy/small
[23:04] I just outlined the experiment, answered questions, and other stuff.
[23:04] Jordan, i used to do the same thing, you kind of have to make it a habit.
[23:04] alright
[23:04] Log it in Journal (paper: for records) and Blog
[23:04] Eye-wink
[23:04] alternate ways of practicing, too, but that was small
[23:04] so…did we get anywhere today?
[23:04] metal: For future reference: 22+ish days to form a habit for most people.
[23:05] Further with this experment…
[23:05] sounds like when people quit smoking.
[23:05] .
[23:05] lol
[23:05] Metal: They’re planning to do the experiment, I guess. I told them 10/10/10, if they want more, they can, for now
[23:05] alright
[23:05] eventually, when we actually do test it fully, you want everyone doing the same times
[23:05] and where the hell are we going to get 30 people.
[23:05] Totaly off the the record: What if this method truly is one of the ‘keys’ to unlocking psionics?
[23:05] No
[23:06] 10 minutes/10 minutes/10 minutes
[23:06] it was an experiment
[23:06] per person
[23:06] and good news guys!
[23:06] no controls.
[23:06] me and genjo did this
[23:06] [23:06:05] Totaly off the the record: What if this method truly is one of the ‘keys’ to unlocking psionics? — it isn’t.
[23:06] Yeah, genjo has improved alot
[23:06] yeah.
[23:06] o.O
[23:06] this was discussed, this method
[23:06] thats why im having you guys try it out
[23:07] i quit, but i saw his progress
[23:07] Your optimistic Vulc Eye-wink
[23:07] it will not ‘unlock’ psionics.
[23:07] im not saying it will
[23:07] im saying
[23:07] its a method to make it easier
[23:07] I’m saying it won’t.
[23:07] Yes, it is a method to make it easier
[23:07] im saying it might be THE method to making it easier
[23:07] like… the best one
[23:07] Eye-wink
[23:08] the better one for some people
[23:08] but there are other things you can do to contribute to your success
[23:08] its looking like that
[23:08] that practicing an hour a day thing is bullshit
[23:08] i practiced like…. 3 hours a day
[23:08] and so did apollo to get that good
[23:08] just a heads up
[23:09] Metal: Yeah. but how long you practice, isn’t really the biggest thing
[23:09] its practicing every day.
[23:09] its not, no.
[23:09] you are correct.
[23:09] there comes a time when youve tried too much though
[23:10] if you want to see any true improvement, you want to practice each day.
[23:11] 3 is probably the max anyone should do. I barely do PK anymore, but when I did, it wasn’t more than 3. And no, I can’t levitate things.
[23:11] its alright…..if you split it up. 5 hours straight is horrid. 3 is probably what you want to go with
[23:11] straight is probably not the best anyway.
[23:12] but its however you can fit it in
[23:12] Metal
[23:12] eh. taking a break…. i have a tight schedule
[23:12] what
[23:12] i so wanna see you on a cam (doing pk Eye-wink )
[23:12] i know
[23:12] that would require fixing it
[23:12] but sure.
[23:12] Lol
[23:12] eventually.
[23:12] lol.
[23:12] Laughing out loud
[23:12] If i stick with it daily mabye ill show off some of my suckass skillz
[23:12] Eye-wink
[23:13] i showed genjo Levitation on cam…thats about the best proof i have for ya. ask him. I cannot levitate anymore, though i can slide etc
[23:13] (wow… ive been doing this for 5 months…)
[23:13] its because i spent that time making this site
[23:13] ;/
[23:14] eh, dont worry, im done with that now
[23:14] so im going to be getting back into my habit
[23:15] Good, get your cam fixed, then you can scare the hell outa me with ‘your mad pk skillz’
[23:15] Laughing out loud
[23:15] I’m not really focusing on PK. I haven’t for two years, actually.
[23:15] lmao.
[23:15] my terms may be outdated. But I still know what I’m saying.
[23:15] And I can still move stuff, just not pens.
[23:15] <3 foil.
[23:15] Eye-wink