Advanced Psychokinesis: Psychokinesis Revisited, Expectations, An Intro to Psychokinesis Research (Class 2)
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[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:35:42] well, how are yall doing tonight?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:35:49] Feel a bit sick.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:35:52] Good
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:35:54] same
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:36:02] decent
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:36:33] Alright. We are going to start of todays lesson by going over the homework
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:36:40] i hope you guys are alright with that
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:36:59] first of all, how was it ? (for the people that did it… which im guessing is none of you)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:37:16] eh…
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:37:25] i wasnt even here
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:38:33] Alright. well we will just do the homework now then.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:38:49] in the process of it
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:38:50] Eye-wink
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:38:52] First of all, how is Psychokinesis possible, in your opinion?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:39:03] I could paraphrase as much as I can…I mean, what I do know would make it what I believe in I guess.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:39:15] that would be quite fine, neveza
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:39:47] It just is, i think it’s just another body function, just with your mind
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:40:02] How is psychokinesis possible…Hum…well, Through manipulation of information we cause a form of potential energy to create kenetic making objects move. Badda Boom.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:40:30] Obviously, there is more to it, but I can’t remember it all.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:40:42] jordan?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:42:28] I think that PK is possible because I believe that on some level, everything is one. (sounds corny but Laughing out loud) and I just think that if i can Control my arm, why cant i control the toothpick (or anything ) you just have to build your brain muscles Laughing out loud
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:42:54] all very interesting answers
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:43:11] keep those in mind when building your method
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:43:58] alright
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:44:28] When you do psychokinesis, what makes it “work”, in your opinion.?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:45:53] My will, Just wanting it to move caues it to move, how exactly i dont know exactly, but it’s ike moving another part of our body, you want it to happen and your brain goes to ork, then it happens
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:46:25] everyone else?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:47:03] Its just making it move (and having the will TO make it move )
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:47:41] Eh…Technique wise? Not sure, I just do it.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:48:10] good answers everyone
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:49:12] Alright…, and the other portion of our homework was “What can you do to make success easier for yourself?” This one is the most important one. Think about it.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:49:39] success in general or success in PK?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:49:42] Practice more.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:49:53] Shit load of practice and Meditation. Also the need to succeed. A lot of motivation helps too.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:50:16] I agree, the need to succed
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:50:33] Need/will to do it, Tons of practice time
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:51:47] i know how lazy most psions are from being around.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:54:37] when you told me what would benefit you in daily practice, will you actually seriously take the time to do these things, or are you just mentioning them for the sake of the question?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:54:39] be honest
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:55:26] Actually take the time to do these things.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:55:32] Well, I always speak truth, but I don’t know if I ever would achieve my goal, if I have one truely set.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:55:40] I have too much as it is.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:55:50] thats the problem here. mainly anyway
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:56:07] that is what seperates the people that can do Levitation, from the people that can merely do the psiwheel
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:56:11] I want to try, but right now (with school picking back up) im kinda finding it hard to make time for everything
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:56:35] if you take the laziness out of your schedule, it would greatly benefit you in your psionic practices. be motivated.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:57:08] eh. jordan. make time. thats what its about. I manage to do it with college, highschool a website, a company, volunteer work and a job. you can too.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:57:45] this isnt a class for newbies, You guys signed up for this class to be serious, because you wanted to learn how to do advanced psychokinesis
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:57:58] take the things you just listed that will make you better, and actually apply them
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:09] got it?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:11] * neveza is practicing right now.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:16] Yep
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:29] * Saintbob is also practicing
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:40] Alright…., now for todays lesson
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:58:55] id like to start you guys off with a question
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [21:59:08] What is it you guys would like to see from this class?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:10:30] Improvment with PK, (i also think this could help me learn to be able to make room for things)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:10:31] Not sure. I’m not even sure what to expect. Using this as my time to bring motivation back on psychokinesis.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:10:52] Improvment within my self with this class’s help
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:09] ok well, great answers everyone
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:17] thank you
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:21] i had an idea
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:31] As advanced students, I was hoping that we all could take an initiative to further the way Psychokinesis is practiced, and perhaps do some research.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:37] what do you guys think?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:11:59] Sounds like a good idea.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:12:24] *shrugs* I guess. Although, I’ve done enough research without researching. >_>
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:12:32] haha, so true neveza.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:12:39] any ideas?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:12:49] Hmm. No.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:12:57] and there is anything youd like me to add to this course
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:13:03] to make it more…. “there”?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:13:14] hmm.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:14:13] Join EnKi has joined this channel
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:14:44] Now we are going to work on in an class exercise
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:14:57] go get a pen/pencil and a piece of paper
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:15:05] enki, you can participate with this
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:15:22] ok. is notpad ok, or is there a specific reason to use paper?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:15:29] yeah, thats fine, i just prefer paper.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:15:36] Come up with ways to further psychokinesis as a field. Include Ideas for research.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:15:46] im going to give this 5 minutes
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:20:38] alright guys
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:20:42] what have you came up with?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:21:19] Find ways to incorperate new things into the field
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:21:29] such as?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:21:44] Meditation and experimenting and daily talks with ErikJDurwoodII while suggesting ideas to him to see what he thinks and says and whatever else. Both can be used for techniques and general knowledge.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:22:16] such as instead of basing pk on moving foil or and or even remotes, use it on More important things
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:22:24] agreed.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:22:29] both of you.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:22:46] nev. any way of getting in contact with erik besides skype.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:22:49] for research, you could use things like EEGs to see what part of the brain is most (or least) active during PK practice. of course you would need some random people as well as people who can and cannot do PK, just for control purposes. compare the results (obviously), and then….blank
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:23:46] and more important things. wow, there couldnt have been a better sentence in this whole class. how though?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:23:52] Metal, Erik is very, very busy.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:23:59] i know. that is the problem
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:24:00] Even if I knew other ways of contact, he wouldn’t be around.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:24:23] enki, how do we aquire one of these?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:24:48] i don’t know. you said come up with ideas. you didn’t say they had to be cheap
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:26:16] Could also get decent enough to contribute to local universities for experiments like JoeT.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:26:30] neveza. agreed
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:26:34] my psych teacher would love that
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:26:44] what about your plant thing?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:26:55] probably not the time of year…, but that would be damn interesting to report about
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:27:41] Metal, sure, interesting, but I don’t have the time or money.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:27:54] eh, what is it…. 3 $?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:07] ok what plant thing?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:07] metalforever, I like different conditions of how plant lives.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:13] As well, I want many plants.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:21] yeah, well there is 5 of us here.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:23] EnKi, what Healing(DMILS) does to plants.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:26] Basically.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:31] o.O
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:41] this could be cool if we all did it
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:48] Yeah
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:51] (dont be lazy guys)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:55] metalforever, maybe when I’m 18 or have a job and can drive.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:28:59] er.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:07] no where to get a plant… its winter here Eye-wink (basically)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:07] -OR- walk to the dollar store tommorow
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:08] .
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:21] seeds?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:28] you dont want to buy a plant, that ruins it. plants are diferent sizes when you buy them.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:53] Indepth details and experiments!
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:29:59] what would we be doing with this plant?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:15] ok
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:17] many plants.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:21] Keeping it alive im guessing?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:32] We are trying to find the effects of psi on plants.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:41] of course we would need a control
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:30:56] Of course
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:02] right
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:12] and more than one plants, because there are abnormal cases
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:18] im thinking like….. 10 each
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:32] It’s really a time consuming and high budget experiment once you think about it since I like to try every single situation possible.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:33] i would use 3 plants (or 3 groups); 1 untouched, 1 injured, 1 injured which you would use DMILS to heal. that way you can have some kind of control
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:34] or those pea pod things that your put in a peetri dish
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:31:43] Eh, yeah my parents wont think its weird at all that i suddenly want to grow 10 pants
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:32:05] eh. kinda. im under the situation that my parents dont care
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:32:09] and of course, using the exact same species would be essential
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:32:13] and……, i have psionic friends
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:32:21] but…. experiment or the science fair?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:32:28] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:14] yah… i dont think my mom would go for me squeezing in 10 plants in my room lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:16] Yeah and this plant thing could go tords my ideas of “more important things ”
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:24] er yeah.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:26] maybe
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:28] (if i could even find seeds)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:34] i might do that with the nev in the summer.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:42] my mom wont know any different
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:33:52] i did stuff with plants before
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:13] my mom hates plants… mostly because she kills them ;D
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:30] But…., any other ideas guys…
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:31] lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:37] i think i actually have one
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:40] Jordan, yeah, my mother is like that to. She butchered a bush in the middle of the yard. We deemed it the death circle now.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:46] rofl.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:57] lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:34:58] lets leave this one for the summer.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:35:12] good idea ;D
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:35:14] me and genjo were talking and came up with something
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:35:25] (this one is free to test)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:35:38] alright.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:35:57] you know how when you play a musical instrument, typing on the computer becomes easier…
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:36:08] or like… other, finger related tasks
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:36:13] (bad example)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:36:15] lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:36:46] alright. well we came up with a hypothesis.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:39:11] that said.. “when you work on really big objects for practice, and then try something like.. a pencil or a stacked psiwheel, that it becomes much easier to practice with”
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:39:17] now we worked on this..
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:39:36] genj saw results faster than he would have doing it the old fashioned way, i did too.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:39:47] but….. we need more people to try this out
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:39:57] what do you think guys
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:07] (thats where psionicsonline’s rolling video came from)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:19] I think its wortha shot
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:29] There are exceptions.. which is why i need more people, kinda of like… a general sample.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:49] Metal, care to explain it better?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:55] metalforever, Maybe, I have my own problems with psychokinesis that isn’t exactly related to skill.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:40:59] it might be an alternative method for people that “arent getting it”
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:14] what are you confused about?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:18] i think it’s more than an alternate method
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:33] It could very well work though
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:33] * EnKi thinks
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:36] genj saw results faster than he would have doing it the old fashioned way
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:43] what the hells the old fashion way?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:45] well…. it worked for us… but i dont know if its like that, for you know, everyone
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:51] Starting from the Pin-wheel and up.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:41:55] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:03] it could go towards research, as well as application
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:08] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:12] but that’s a little vague of me. typical me.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:21] okay. lets make it not vague
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:29] i can’t put my thoughts into words very well.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:36] please do your best.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:42:39] it’s more images and feelings and concepts
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:43:52] well, it could give clues to how PK might work, because it’s sort of the same thing as physical activity. like….if you practice punching and you’re not getting better, then you go do pushups for a few days or whatever, and your punching improves. it’s similar (even though the two subjects are worlds away)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:00] that’s still a little vague, eh?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:20] cleard it up for me
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:40] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:41] I don’t think it could give a clue on how PK works. I think that would be more in the brain of the human than the actual PK.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:41] Same Eye-wink
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:44:56] well… how about… “more efficient way of doing pk”
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:45:08] why do your punching get better? because you’re working the same muscles in the same direction. so, why does your pk get better?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:45:29] anyway
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:45:33] it’s an interesting thing to try
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:45:37] because you are working on a larger object psychokinetically?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:45:47] probably, yes, same ‘muscles’, bigger task
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:46:12] this hypothesis came from the quote that you will never have full control over the psiwheel until you move on to the pencil
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:46:23] Remember guys, there is more to psionics than just brute practice.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:46:30] and me and genj blew it up and it kinda worked by accident
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:46:38] right, and i encouraged that as well
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:46:59] neveza, ever since i started practicing psionics, i’ve found myself doing things related to philosophy and psychology and else
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:47:11] so, yeah. it’s way more than just practice
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:48:02] but hmm. i like that idea. i’m going to try it for a week or 2
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:48:10] Same
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:48:33] you guys have some options
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:49:35] 1. Come up with a different hypothesis…. or something different to test
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:49:38] or 2.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:50:19] We will work with this hypothesis, and try to formulate our own conclusions, and results…. statistically (kind of). You are going to have to keep a sharp log…. we are talking every day in the blog
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:50:28] alright.. lets vote.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:51:57] i vote We will work with this hypothesis, and try to formulate our own conclusions, and results…. statistically (kind of). You are going to have to keep a sharp log…. we are talking every day in the blog
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:53:13] I say lets try the go big then samll method thats my vote
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:53:30] and keep blog up-dated
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:55:15] i vote #2
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:55:44] but can you clarify a little though?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:17] yeah, i can barely twitch a foil
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:29] Metal, I think we’re going a bit ahead of ourselves.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:30] right……. (advanced psychokinesis class)
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:35] and thats the point
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:49] so you want me to try to move a hard cover school book
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:52] try on a schoolbook, with optimism
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:56:55] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:08] Interesting
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:09] Oh…Okay, I see what you’re saying. I can already do that.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:28] then do something bigger neveza.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:24] lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:26] I’ll try a trashcan like before.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:32] ima have a headache tonight Laughing out loud
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:41] i tried a stack of books when i did it
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:51] dAm
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:57:54] lol
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:58:00] alright… lets call it a night
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:58:07] Any success metal?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:58:43] yep defintiely.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:58:52] this session was logged, btw
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:58:53] so the gameplan is to try to move somehthing big then do somthing small and log it?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:19] right.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:32] I tried to make my pencil sharpener and pencil have sex, but it failed at entry. >_> Too slow.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:33] in our blogs?
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:33] i will do it too.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:39] ROFL.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [22:59:47] LOL
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:00:49] ive never held a ‘big’ object in my mind before… if that makes since
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:00:58] its something new, be optimistic.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:01:09] and do those affirmation things
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:05:05] alright
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:05:11] blogs guys.
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:05:21] i will see you next monday at 930 GMT -5
[Mon Nov 5 2007] [23:05:28] have a nice night